SHOW OFF YOUR RARE amd HYBRIDS!!!
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jmaneyapanda
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general body color varies so much on the fishes mood, etc. If that is all that is the differing character, I think it may be what is claimed.
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12797602#post12797602 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by crvz
Probably not the most rare, but I've not often seen one. I picked up a Ctenochaetus cyanocheilus the other day. Not real sure what the common name is, as they're nore really all that common.
IMO, it's Ctenochaetus cyanocheilus....wish they stayed that nice yellow blue color.
jmaneyapanda
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myers, empty your mailbox.
copps
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You could rest assured Jeremy that it is not a C. vanderloosi. There is a reason the holotype of this fish was not collected until 2003! Rob Vanderloos owns and operates a dive charter in Milne Bay Province Papua New Guinea (the easternmost part of "mainland" Papua New Guinea) and discovered this fish after searching remote parts of the province that major boat charters don't hit. The fish has only been found in a 100 square mile area there in cool waters... far from any sort of collection... so vanderloosi have never entered the trade... Milne Bay is thousands of miles also from the range of the other two similar species dimidiatus and melanosoma.
Confusion came a while ago when specimens started popping up from the Phillipines that had a head like true vanderloosi, but a an almost all yellow to all yellow tail (which vanderloosi doesn't ever have in any stage). In addition to LargeAngels specimen many others have come, including this one from another RCer...
People started calling them vanderloosi without realizing how isolated and rare true vanderloosi are... again thousands of miles from the Phillipines and far away from humans... much less collectors and exporters... much less at the low price they were getting them for... sort of similar to the whole "Hey I have a Centropyge nahackyi!" people who have a dark multicolor and think that the collector just happened to mistake it for a multicolor... when in reality we know that true nahackyi are isolated to one small island... Anyway, I had dinner with Gerry Allen, who described vanderloosi, and showed him some of these pictures, before I knew they were from the Phillipines, and right away he recognized them as a new fish he's been chasing from the Phillipines that he was going to look at... until it was described he was calling it Chaetodontoplus cf. melanosoma.
Anyway, Gerry tends to much more of a "splitter" rather than a "grouper" in the world of ichthyology, meaning he tends to name more color variants species whereas some other ichthyologists may group them into one species... by the way... here's a shot of an adult true C. vanderloosi... notice the black tail... as juveniles and subadults it is more yellow, but ALWAYS with at least a black band going through the entire tail, which the Phillipines specimens lack...
Anyway, there is probably .01% of us who care that much in depth about vanderloosi... but there it is!
Robie! I hope all is well with the family... We're expecting our second (but first girl!) in August. It looks like the drop of bandits this year is a great one! People are seeing them smaller and shallower than usual... even at recreational depths! Be careful with the depths you hit on air you nut!
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12797602#post12797602 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by crvz
Probably not the most rare, but I've not often seen one. I picked up a Ctenochaetus cyanocheilus the other day. Not real sure what the common name is, as they're nore really all that common.
I agree that that guy is probably cyanocheilus... nice fish! Don't worry about the common name... common names are for wives and retailers! It is unfortunate that most of these Ctenochaetus get blander with age... but still nice nonetheless and well suited to captivity unlike some other surgeonfish genera...
Copps
zemuron114
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john, full of info. where do you store it all!
copps
Premium Member
Well, if it is true we only use 10% of our brain, I think I'm wasting about 2% on this innate passion I have!:hammer:
The coolest thing is that whether its the newb in the hobby or the most accomplished ichthyologist, it all started the same usually... with a passion growing up for the wonderful ocean and animals within! I always enjoyed the stories behind these fish... particularly angelfish... and you don't get them in a book... you get them over a beer! Plus, I have to outlet it somewhere... at my local meetings I feel like I speak an extinct language sometimes...:bum:
Anyway, I'd give it all up to live in paradise like you DJ! Actually maybe not... I read on CNN today that milk costs 6.50 a gallon out there now!
You guys deserve it!
myerst2
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600 shipped. PM me. it may already be gone. Seems all the youngsters are showing there faces on the islands. Hence the little bandits and the these guys. Word is dime sized potters are all around as well as other little guys. How cool would it be start a tank with fish this size and watch them mature!!!! Tim
This is my rarest fish, My LFS owner has only seen 1 in his life, which is now in my tank. I havnt seen these guys in any other store, only online where they sell for 100+ normally.
Watanabe Angel
(Pic borrowed, Im at work now and dont have pics of my fish)
Hes a very active fish, the least shy out of everything I own. He eats like a beast and doesnt pick on anyone.
http://www.marinecenter.com/fish/angelfish/watanabesangelfish/
Watanabe Angel
(Pic borrowed, Im at work now and dont have pics of my fish)
Hes a very active fish, the least shy out of everything I own. He eats like a beast and doesnt pick on anyone.
http://www.marinecenter.com/fish/angelfish/watanabesangelfish/
yukonblizzard
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Thats interesting Icedragln because at the LFS by me always seems to have at least one of these when I go. They are beautiful fish though.
