MeuserReef
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I thought the same thing, however wouldnt the joining of the siphon drain with the regular durso drain break the siphon as it would allow air to be introduced where the lines combine?
Silent and Failsafe Overflow System
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brackishdude
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Wow.
This thread has degenerated into something atypical of the fish-nerd comraderie I usually see.
BeAn has been a fantastic contributor for the years I've lurked on this site. He is courteous, knowlegable, and helpful. I saw no self-agrandizment in his post, and he even cited the original herbie post in the first post. You people need to get off your high horses.
This is a straight forward explanation of a simple and effective solution to a problem we all face to some degree. How many "noisy drains, help!!" threads do you see on here a day?
If you're concerned about the environment, a few extra pieces of pvc won't change the world. Perhaps you should get out of the hobby considering the resources you "waste" and the innocent creatures you torture for your own selfish enjoyment. Not to mention the energy you wasted posting a response to this thread.
On a more topical note, yes, the end of the siphon drain (and only the siphon drain) must be submerged for greatest silence and lack of bubbles/creep. If only water (no air) is coming down the pipe, no bubbles are made if the end of the pipe is under water. Does a garden hose underwater make bubbles? Only when you first turn it on, before all of the air is pushed out. attaching another drain to the siphon will introduce air.
Clay, my sacasm radar had you pegged!
Noone could be that ignorant/rude!!
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This thread has degenerated into something atypical of the fish-nerd comraderie I usually see.
BeAn has been a fantastic contributor for the years I've lurked on this site. He is courteous, knowlegable, and helpful. I saw no self-agrandizment in his post, and he even cited the original herbie post in the first post. You people need to get off your high horses.
This is a straight forward explanation of a simple and effective solution to a problem we all face to some degree. How many "noisy drains, help!!" threads do you see on here a day?
If you're concerned about the environment, a few extra pieces of pvc won't change the world. Perhaps you should get out of the hobby considering the resources you "waste" and the innocent creatures you torture for your own selfish enjoyment. Not to mention the energy you wasted posting a response to this thread.
On a more topical note, yes, the end of the siphon drain (and only the siphon drain) must be submerged for greatest silence and lack of bubbles/creep. If only water (no air) is coming down the pipe, no bubbles are made if the end of the pipe is under water. Does a garden hose underwater make bubbles? Only when you first turn it on, before all of the air is pushed out. attaching another drain to the siphon will introduce air.
Clay, my sacasm radar had you pegged!
Noone could be that ignorant/rude!!end communication
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liveforphysics
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QWIV- Wait until you've had a 15" diameter anemone just decide to detach sometime for no reason and inevitably end up in an overflow, completely blocking it off. I've also had an event where after floating a bunch of bags of livestock, I missed seeing on of the bags in the water. Suprize! It also ended up sucking right over the mouth of BOTH overflows, slowing both to to a trickle. The tank started to overflow just in the time I was getting aclimation tubs out of the spare room. Flooded a large amount of the volume of the sumps into the floor before I got back in the room to pull the bag off. I also had a time in a previous tank where a baseball sized zebra snail decided it would be a really great idea to try to climb over the lip of the overflow to get the algae in the inside rim. Naturally be became stuck, and was blocking off about 80% of the inlet area of the overflow.
These are the reasons why I personally love to see extra redundancy, because I know that bizzare events you wouldn't expect do happen. It's not needless overbuilding, it's called saftey redundancy, and its foolish to try to criticize it. In the datacenter here at work we have an N+4 system for critical power redundancy. Why do we need 4 extra fail-safe systems? Because we have had 2 times when even 4 redundancys was inadquate and power was still dropped.
Reguarding who used siphons first? Who gives a damn? I've seen water storage tanks at our local fish hatchery built in the 60s that use a very similar design. The point is that Bean is helping to clearly show the system to folks who many of which obviously haven't been exposed to this style of overflow. I think its completely unfounded to take any hostile or offensive postureing towards Bean for simply showing folks a clever overflow method that has been proven to work well for 50+years.
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These are the reasons why I personally love to see extra redundancy, because I know that bizzare events you wouldn't expect do happen. It's not needless overbuilding, it's called saftey redundancy, and its foolish to try to criticize it. In the datacenter here at work we have an N+4 system for critical power redundancy. Why do we need 4 extra fail-safe systems? Because we have had 2 times when even 4 redundancys was inadquate and power was still dropped.
Reguarding who used siphons first? Who gives a damn? I've seen water storage tanks at our local fish hatchery built in the 60s that use a very similar design. The point is that Bean is helping to clearly show the system to folks who many of which obviously haven't been exposed to this style of overflow. I think its completely unfounded to take any hostile or offensive postureing towards Bean for simply showing folks a clever overflow method that has been proven to work well for 50+years.
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MeuserReef
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Has anyone but me noticed that BeanAnimal has "Moved On"?
brackishdude
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He has taken the high road. . .
MeuserReef
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I always assumed that "moved on" meant that they had been banned.
Yes in the Solaris thread. It seems the mod thought he was "attacking" someone. I only saw him trying to get the facts straight, just like ANYwhere else where people got mad at him.
I guess attacking on this thread is OK then? Hmmf.
Well thats a fine "How do you do."
I guess attacking on this thread is OK then? Hmmf.
Well thats a fine "How do you do."
liveforphysics
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http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=894702&perpage=25&pagenumber=28
This page at the bottom is where he is banned by RC staff mhurley. Appearently mhurley has a poor understanding of optics. I've had extensive optics training in college, as well as laser building and much LED experience. Bean happened to be the single poster in that thread that was consistantly making posts with solid and accurate info and application of optical physics. He was the only banned member. I would have given him a medal for spending the time to be the single voice with consistantly correct information in a sea of incorrect, foolish and vicious posting.
I may also be "Moving On" from this board after seeing that level of poor staff decision making.
This page at the bottom is where he is banned by RC staff mhurley. Appearently mhurley has a poor understanding of optics. I've had extensive optics training in college, as well as laser building and much LED experience. Bean happened to be the single poster in that thread that was consistantly making posts with solid and accurate info and application of optical physics. He was the only banned member. I would have given him a medal for spending the time to be the single voice with consistantly correct information in a sea of incorrect, foolish and vicious posting.
I may also be "Moving On" from this board after seeing that level of poor staff decision making.
cartman5579
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WHAT I WANT ANSWERS FROM BEAN!!!
brackishdude
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After reading on page 27 BeAn's correct interpretation of the comment by the LED vendor regarding "glitter lines" and LEDs, then, in that context, reading the ensueing summary of all of BeAn's comments from the whole thread (meant to be testament of his unruly and confrontational methods, I think), I saw a clear picture of his frustration and the biases of teh vendor he was trading posts with.
JCTewks
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So, lets send some PM's to Mhurley and explain what we all saw and try and get Bean reinstated. IMo, I saw bean do no wrong in that thread or this one....in fact, in all of the "arguments" I've seen bean in, He has been the peaceful one, sticking with facts instead of being reduced to flaming or personal attacks. If anyone should have been banned on that thread it should NOT have been Bean IMO.
GuySmilie
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This is just not right!
This is just not right!
Count me in as well.
I am almost speechless in learning that BeanAnimal has been deep-sixed.
It's for guys like him that I even came back to RC, let alone contribute my funds as a Supporting Member.
I've been in and out of this hobby for more than 30 years, and it is rare than I happen upon someone with Beans breadth and depth of knowledge regarding most things reef. Larry Jackson from the old CompuServe days comes to mind, as well as a few others, but not many.
Moderators, I submit that you carefully reconsider this injustice to BeanAnimal. I feel that he is provoked more than anyone else that I see posting in these forums; mainly by those who can not accept that there is someone who speaks their educated mind and is mostly right in his challenges.
You are doing this community a great disservice by taking this ill-though course of action!
Bean, if you are reading this, and it turns out that you are not coming back to RC, please contact me at iamguysmilie@hotmail.com to let me know where it is that you eventually land.
Thanks to all for tolerating my soapbox moment.
This is just not right!
Count me in as well.
I am almost speechless in learning that BeanAnimal has been deep-sixed.
It's for guys like him that I even came back to RC, let alone contribute my funds as a Supporting Member.
I've been in and out of this hobby for more than 30 years, and it is rare than I happen upon someone with Beans breadth and depth of knowledge regarding most things reef. Larry Jackson from the old CompuServe days comes to mind, as well as a few others, but not many.
Moderators, I submit that you carefully reconsider this injustice to BeanAnimal. I feel that he is provoked more than anyone else that I see posting in these forums; mainly by those who can not accept that there is someone who speaks their educated mind and is mostly right in his challenges.
You are doing this community a great disservice by taking this ill-though course of action!
Bean, if you are reading this, and it turns out that you are not coming back to RC, please contact me at iamguysmilie@hotmail.com to let me know where it is that you eventually land.
Thanks to all for tolerating my soapbox moment.
MeuserReef
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But the point is that why should we have to be "relieved" of the "concern", when infact the only concern that I see is the inevitable increase in false, mis-stated, crooked logic that will fill this forum in Bean's abscence. (aka "look at my chiller I made from an icecube and a Maxijet.... " etc)
Bean has helped alot of us out, myself included. I personally appreciate the amount of time that he invests on this forum to try and help clean up the crap and to attempt to present the real-world facts of how things work/dont work (as previously noted by liveforphysics).
mhurley, give the man his membership back. We all would appreciate it.
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