Snowflake ( Jigsaw )Clowns Breeding ??

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Hello Everyone,

I want To start Breeding the snowflake ( Jigsaw ) Clown fish,,,My questions is I know that it is basically a morph or misbarred ocellaris clown---- If I would start breeding them Would there off spring be ocellaris regular clowns or snowflakes?

Been Trying to find other breeders for this clown fish with no success??

Can not seem to find any pics or info about this clown.

Any info would be helpful.

THANKS,

Hector
 
Hector

To start out with... Snowflake Clowns are NOT A. ocellaris. It is "rumored" to be a cross between A. percula and A. ocellaris. As far as I know, they are only being bred in England. As the source is being semi- hush hush, we don't know for sure anything about the parents or what is the out come of breeding them.

My best guess... Only a percentage would be "classified" as snowflakes.
 
Oama
Excatly my point --- I am tired of the hush hush CRAP -- They were brought in from ENGLAND...So far they have only said they are A. Ocellaris clowns.

ANy tips ( Suggestions )on How We can start and also Document the outcome corectly so other hobbyist can try breeding them after We give it a shot?

Thanks for the info oama

Hector
 
My fairy clown uncle tells me they are only Ocells, and a random chuck out at best.

I dont know whether the hatchery are now concentrating on replicating this, but I cant say that I've seen any "fresh blood" come out anytime recently.
 
OK I am going to go wwwwaaaayyyy out on the limb here (and just so everyone knows, this is Alan typing this, so don't give Amy any greif over the rediculous things I am about to say).

Now the debate has raged on about the cause of misbarring (and in this case I mean the absence of bars that should normally be there) and I think one of the theories that most fish breeders accept is that the top contributing factors are the water quality that the fish are being raised in and their diet. Now "water quality" is a pretty generic term. Let's just go ahead and assume that there is some particular parameter that is not right, perhaps some trace element is missing. So let's make another leap of logic, let's say that there is indeed a particular thing in either the water and/or the diet that is missing (or too low) that results in some fish not developing their bars as they should be. And let's get all conspiracy theoried out here and say that this hatchery in England has identified this missing key and instead of just supplemented to ensure the fish are normal barred, overdosed it..............

Perhaps overdosing this particular thing actually kills 90% of the batch of clowns they are trying to raise and the few that survive come out mutant snowflakes, that would explain the $$$ these fish cost.

Another thing I have noticed. We have/had 3 pairs of these fish. Of the first pair we got the male was DOA. The remaining female we tried to pair with many things (perculas, black ocel) and she would kill them all. Pair #2, after several months of having them the female one day started acting "squirrly" and died very shortly after. The lone male from that pair was then paired with the female of the first pair. And just recently the female of pair #1 started acting a little sqirrly, Amy showed her some special TLC and she is back to acting normal again. Pair #3, everything with them has been normal, no problems.

I think the problems we have seen with 6 specemins of this fish is not typical for tank raised fish and could be supportive to my crazy theory above.

Anyway, I've been wanting to throw that out there for a while now and I thought this was a good a time as any.
 
Have you seen how much these clowns cost?!?!?! :eek1:

Second...just to thow this out there as well... IMO "mis-baring" is part of evolution, The stripes were there to protect the fish from dangers in the wild to blend with their host. In captivity its no longer needed ... and beginning to disapear.

Maybe the snowflakes are a result of the opposite?
 
Considering that these so called snowflake patterns have been documented in the wild with known A. ocellairs and A. percula parents, I really do not think we are looking at a "special" secrect that TMC is doing.

Here is my guess... They like many in the hobby/industry knew about the wild snowflake and tried with many pairs and hit gold with one or two. And then paired and breed the offspring to reenforce the genetics. Maybe with the way the pairing worked out they are 3/4 A. ocellaris or maybe some decided to count spines and declaired them A. ocellaris.

If you ask me A. ocellaris and A. percula are not tame, especially the females. Cross these and get the worst in temperment from each and I can see killer females.

As to "water quality", I really really do not think it is something lacking, but instead something there that shouldnt be, like ammonia, nitrite and other nasties.
 
oceanarus,

i m leaning towards your theory also with respect to some of these "new" clowns being produced in captivity. i recently bought 6 "picasso" clowns and gave one to a friend. within the past few weeks, all 6 seem to act very diff.(swimming irregularly, pushed out gill flaps, "skirrly"). even though they are eating normally and appear very active. 1 of the 6 died, but the remaining 5 have not seemed to gain any weight , despite feeding them alot.

so maybe these "odd" clowns are genetically inferior. time will tell i guess with these snowflake/picasso clowns.
 
My 2 pairs of Snowflakes have been the most gentle fish I have owned. I lost the female from the first pair in a tank accident but the male paired up immediatly with a female SI Percula I've had for 2 yrs. in 2 weeks I will have had this male for a year. The second pair I have had for 5 months and have had no problems with them. FWIW I do hand feed almost all my fish from the time they are in QT which seems to calm them down when I am around the tanks.
However, I do have a large pair of WC Black Var A. Ocellaris that will attack anything that enters the tank, They tag teamed an Asfur angel and almost killed it while in a 55 gal QT.

cricco, that is an expensive pair. I paid less for both my pairs and shipping total than what they want for that 1 pair.
 
not yet. I have the older pair in a community SPS tank. The female Perc looks ready but I think the male is still too young and just going through the motions. They are however, cleaning the same spot, and both going through dry runs as I call it. I think I am going to move them into another tank soon and give them some privacy.
 
How rare are this clown- Cant conprehend thousands of people on reefcentral and only a few less than 5 people have this clowns?

What is the offspring like? Guessing if no one knows I will have to find out myself-

Is it posible to breed them or they are like mules? keep getting conflicting stories.

Hector
 
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