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See thats the problem.... I didnt rinse the argonite and am wondering if it will have a detremental effect on the tank and inhabitants if I were to put them in.... it mostly settled as of this morning but I needed to level it out and started again. I moved a few of my larger rocks in there along with a powerhead to get some sort of filter going and it seems to be working. Everything is doing fine in the temporary tank so should I just wait?

Also i got a mini spike of ammonia it went from .25 to .5 so sould I wait till that levels out?
 
Daniel,

Hang in there. The current PC thinking is not to rinse the aragonite. It won't hurt anything by not rinsing it and may be beneficial. As long as you are arranging things the sandstorm will continue. Your in no rush so get things how you want them and then let it settle. As far as adding things back into the tank the sandstorm is not a real issue. The ammonia you are seeing is. I'd hold off taking anything out of quarantine until the ammonia again reaches zero.
 
Well, I remember by first, and only, intimate experience with a woman. It was years ago in a bar in L.A. She came over to me in her fishnet stockings, short skirt and whispered in my ear the immortal words, "Hey big boy got a light?". Well after the most exciting five minutes of my life I left her room and looked at my, now near empty, wallet. Then it dawned on me. For what that five minutes had cost "I could of had some of those new fangled actinic lights for my tank!!!" :D

I have left out lighting until this point, as until you start stocking your tank it is not all that important. If you bought a complete set-up it probably came with a hood and fluorescent lights. To keep LR and fish alive you really don't need much more.

Coralline on LR is a low light alga so it doesn't require megawatts to sustain it. Fish, for the most part, are pretty much indifferent to light levels.

The bulbs that come with most tanks are standard fluorescent types that you can get in any Lowe's or Home Depot. The drawback is they have a K value of only about 4000-4500. Not a very good level for a marine tank.

So you say, "What the expletive deleted is a K?"

K stands for Kelvin, which is a temperature scale in the metric system. It is similar to Celsius but zero starts at absolute zero. Armed with that bit of trivia you say, "So what!". :D

The use of Kelvin ratings for illumination comes from the photo industry. They needed a scale to measure the apparent color of light and chose the K scale to do it. To understand it, picture a black ball suspended in an inert atmosphere. We start to heat it up until it glows. At first it becomes red hot, then orange, yellow white and so on as it gets hotter. The temperature that is needed in Kelvin degrees defines these changes in color. That standard fluorescent used around the house gives off a Kelvin of around 4500 K. This is a decidedly yellow color. Experiments with reef tanks have also indicated that the wavelength (I'm not even going to touch angstroms and such :rolleyes: ) produced by such a low K value is not conducive to good critter growth in our tanks.

Now there are some household type fluorescents that have fairly high K values. The Opti-lume daylight series comes to mind. These are fairly cheap bulbs and have color outputs closer to 6500 K. This is pretty close to the K temp for sunlight. If you can find some they are a better solution than the "standard" bulbs. You can also buy bulbs especially designed for aquarium use over the Internet or at the LFS. They cost more than the household bulbs but have higher K values, as high as 20,000 K, which produces a very blue light. To me the real high K tubes are too blue. I prefer the lights with a range 8000-12,000 K which is more white than blue. As far as your tank is concerned it doesn't make much difference. The blue light is just as good as white. What K value you use is a matter of what looks best to you. One other thing with high K fluorescents tubes is that higher K lights give off less illumination than lower K tubes. You may opt for a 10,000K over a 20,000K just because you get more bang for your energy buck with the lower K tube.

Let's take a second to see how a fluorescent tube works. The tube has a starter element on each end and is filled with a gas that contains a small amount of mercury. When we turn it on an initial surge of high voltage is sent to the tube and creates a flow of electrons from the elements. This causes a current to flow through the tube and produces a cloud of ionized particles. The inner part of the tube is coated with a phosphorus compound. Electrons in the ionized cloud strike the phosphorus and cause it to glow creating light. Now, when the current starts to flow in the gas inside the tube, the resistance drops real fast. The amount of current would increase and the tube would glow brighter and brighter. It would do that until it burned itself out in very short order . Enter the ballast.

You've all seen a ballast, at least I hope. It is the brick like thing inside the hood of a fluorescent light. It serves two purposes. First is contains a capacitor or some other circuit that provides the initial high voltage to get the lamp started. Once the lamp is started it contains a coil, called a choke, which limits the amount of current (called impedance for those that dig tech terms :D) that will go to the lamp and saves the lamp from burning up.

In our discussions of aquarium lighting we will be dealing with ballasts. And, as usual with everything in this hobby, we will be dealing with several types, some which do the very same job but in an entirely different way.

Enough about ballasts for the moment. Let's get back to the lights themselves. The household type fluorescent is called an N.O. or normal output type lamp. N.O. lamps use 10 watts for every foot of length. That is a 24" is 20 watts and a 48" is 40 watts. That is for a T12 bulb. "A 'T' what?" you say. Well the T number is the diameter of the bulb in eighths of an inch. Household type bulbs are usually T12's that means it is 12/8ths or 1Ã"šÃ‚½ inches. The other common sizes are the 1" T8 and the 5/8" T5.

For the reefer that only is going to keep fish or some of the lower light soft corals, then N.O. lighting may be sufficient. For those wanting a more diverse tank, more bang for the buck will be needed.

We'll talk about that next time.:cool:
 
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" I'm not even going to touch angstroms "

I should hope not, you should have learned your lesson in that bar in L.A.:smokin:
 
mike4271 said:
" I'm not even going to touch angstroms "

I should hope not, you should have learned your lesson in that bar in L.A.:smokin:

:lol: Luv it Mike.

It just so happens I have a bit more time to add to the above. I'm adding to the thread on the fly so I add on as I can.

When talking about the L.A. experience I mentioned actinic lighting. I should explain what is meant by it. Back in the earlier days of reefkeeping the fluorescent bulbs used where pretty much the same as you used around the house. It was quickly found by those trying to establish a reef tank that they did not provide proper light for the symbiotic algae in many corals. The result was that many corals died in the home aquarium. Similar problems where known in the public aquariums. The first major breakthrough was the actinic tube. A true 03 actinic produces a color of around 7300 K, which would put in white area of lighting. However the phosphor's used in these actinics produced a distinct blue shade when used on a marine tank. They also tended not to illuminate the glass and water while highlighting the fish and corals and making them stand out. Another result was that they cause some phosphorescence in corals as an added bonus.

Well, you can imagine the hit they made. They also were a hit for the tube manufactures as they got BIG money for them. Today there are all sorts of phosphors used to produce various color temperatures. The so-called tri-phosphers tubes are a direct result of better color tubes for TV. As you know a color TV gets its color by using red, green and blue phosphors to create all the other shades of color. By doing the same it was possible to make fluorescent lamps that had much high K values than the normal household lamp. Today tubes are offered as high as 20,000K using tri-phosphor blends.

There is another improvement that many do not notice. In the original tri-phosphor tubes it was not unusual for one phosphor, usually the one that produces blue, to weaken in intensity before the others. The result was a downward shift in color temperature as the tube aged. Improved phosphors now have, while not eliminating it, given much longer life to tubes than their forefathers. I've seen reports that even bulbs up to two years old show little spectral shift.

Now so far we've talked about color. Another important aspect of lighting is how bright it is. To get good results with many corals in these early fluorescent tanks you needed to pack the bulbs into the hood. With a tank having good front to back depth you could get around eight T12 tubes in with a bit of shoe horning. Fortunately there was also help along these lines. Commercial lighting often needed brighter lighting than the N.O. fluorescent could deliver. Bulb manufacturers where able to provide this using bulbs that ran at twice the wattage (High Output or H.O.) or even almost 3 times the wattage (Very High Output or V.H.O.). Now a 24" T12 VHO could run at 75 watts rather than 20 and a 48" VHO at 110 watts as opposed to 40. This saved space while greatly increasing brilliance.

To this point I've skirted defining light intensity. The reason is that it is confusing as hell:mad2:

The gods of physics, that control lighting measurements, come up with a new measurement unit on an about once a week basis. Well, maybe not that often. ;) They have candlepower, lux, lumens and PAR; all with different units and measurement methods. One of my favorites is PAR or Photosynthetic Active Radiation. If you have a gadget called a Quantum meter in your reef tank test kit bag then you are ahead of the rest of us who have no idea of the number of micromoles of quanta per second per square meter entering their tanks at the moment. :D

How the REAL scientists rely on the old "watts per gallon" method. Sure you hear how terrible and inaccurate this method is but the scientific proof is that it works pretty good in a pinch. So there!!! :p

The rule of thumb is to have a minimum of 4 watts per gallon in any tank. Six watts per gallon in a coral tank and a whooping 8+ watts per gallon in a tank with clams, anemones and certain stoney corals.

Hey, it is not rocket science but you won't see too many people complain that follow this rule. There are some points here. The above is based on a 24" high tank. You can lower this output somewhat with an 18" tank and raise it if you have a 30". Also fluorescent lights are usually placed right at the water surface. When we get to metal halides this is not the case so again some extra watts may be needed. It is only a general rule and as any NEWBIE will tell you-"rules are made to be broken". :D

For most reefers the use of VHO will be the most common. HO lights are available but they don't save much in money when compared to VHO so why mess with their lower output.

Gotta go but we'll get back to VHO and the dialing for $$$ question for buying ballasts to run them.
 
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Hey Waterkeeper!

Your info on lights is great, but you kinda left me hanging at the algae bloom...

Once the algae bloom is in full swing and I get some crabs and snails and do some big water changes, what happens next?

How long after this should I wait before adding a fish?

:D

Crystal
 
Crystal,

What algae? I've been peeking at your tank pics and I don't see any REAL algae bloom. :D

I guess the kindest words I can give one on an algae bloom are, "This too shall pass.". Just like it starts out of nowhere, the bloom clears and disappears. This assumes that you run your skimmer, do the water changes etc. When your bed starts de-denitrifying it soon depletes the available nitrate that fuel the bloom. All this takes some time. The less nutrients in the water column going into the bloom, the shorter and less intense the bloom. If your ammonia level is consistently at zero you can add your first fish.

Fish get along very well with algae in the tank and most love to snack on it.

Daniel

PC's are coming in the next instalment. I plan to talk first about VHO, then PC and T5 will complete the section on fluorescent. Then it is on to MH.:o
 
No, my algae bloom hasn't started yet. I am just getting ready for it and want to know how to proceed from there. :)

Crystal
 
hey waterkeeper, i am new to this site ( i signed up almost a year ago but then moved countries, and a bunch of other stuff yada yada yada) but now im back and luvvin it. ive been reading posts here for about a week, starting to neglect the wife (doh), and learning lots.. anyways, my point. i was reading this awesome thread again tonight incl your newest posts and i realized i hadnt said thanks. so here goes.......... thanks very mcuh and please keep it coming. ttyl

strat
 
Well thank you very much stat.
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You are the first one I've heard of that was deported for reading my posts but it sure beats being thrown in jail as are most of my avid readers. :D

Originally posted by CrystalAZ
No, my algae bloom hasn't started yet. I am just getting ready for it and want to know how to proceed from there.

Dang Crystal,

You of all people by now know how to do a proper search on RC. Ok, this once I'll do it for you--
RK Magazine tells you "What to do About Algae"
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WC... of COURSE I know how to do a search. I do them every day! :)

I was looking specifically for a continuation of your wonderfully informative and humorous guide. :D

Crystal
 
CrystalAZ said:
That's a funny article! I don't have any algae yet though, so I'll have to clip the recipe for later. :D

It was in this years April Fool's edition of Reef Keeping Magazine.

I've more or less gone through this before but here's a recap--

  • Week 1--Rise of ammonia producing bacteria in the sand bed. Possible bacteria and protozoan blooms. Oxygen present throughout the bed,
  • Week 2-3-- Nitrite forming bacteria multiply, oxidizing ammonia to nitrite, Sand bed is still totally oxygenated.
  • Week 3-4-- Full nitrification is established. Ammonia is converted to nitrite then almost immediately to nitrate. Diatoms start to appear. Bed still oxygenated.
  • Week 4-6--Height of brown algae bloom. Rise of green algae. Upper layers of sand bed are fully populated with aerobic and nitrifying bacteria. Some decline in oxygen as one proceeds lower in the bed.
  • Week 6-8--Diatoms decline and green algae starts to predominate. Distinct layers of declining oxygen levels are starting to develop in the bed.
  • Week 8-12--Height of green algae bloom. Marked stratification of oxygen levels in the bed. Anoxic zones starting to develop where nitrate is reduced to nitrogen gas.
  • Weeks 12 -?--Decline of green algae. Anoxic and anaerobic zones are present in sand bed. De-nitrification is main form of nitrogen export.

These time frames are only approximate and depend on the amount of LS that seeded the bed and the curing method for the LR. It is important to note that many bacteria can use nitrate as a source of oxygen but only when low oxygen levels occur in the sand bed.

Hope this helps and Happy Halloween!!
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WaterKeeper,
Our stomachs/wallets are starting to fill up, and our brains are becoming anoxic, we need another installment!!!
This is a fanstastic thread! Thank you WaterKeeper!
 
ChrisB said:
...our brains are becoming anoxic, we need another installment!!!

I warned you Chris about eating all those Slim-Jims; they're loaded with nitrates and nitrites. :D

Let's add just a little more here and talk about VIP--I mean VHO lighting. Now VHO or Very High Output is just a NO fluorescent on steroids. There is also HO, high output, but unless your going to use T5 tubes there is not a lot in its favor.

You can go to the LFS where they will gladly sell you VHO tubes at any popular K value, up to 20,000K, for your tank. You then rush them home and replace the NO tubes that came with your tank with the VHO, turn them on, and....nothing happens. Well in some cases they may glow at the ends or light very faintly but the blinding light you anticipated just isn't there.

Remember up above when we defined a ballast I said it was a current limiting devise? Well try to run a VHO on a NO ballast and it really will limit that current. An NO ballast limits current to a VHO to about a third of what it really needs to run. To get a VHO to "to do its thing" you need a ballast that is made to run VHO tubes. This means two options. Buy a canopy already setup for VHO or, two, buy a retrofit kit. Many people op for a retrofit kit but I wish to warn you--Some assembly is required!

If those words scare you then
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right there!!! We are dealing with electricity and salt water here, a potentially lethal combination. You want to know what you are doing.

Having given you fair warning, the wiring is not very complex and most ballasts come with wiring diagrams. Your big choice is which flavor of ballast to get. The NOs usually come with magnetic ballasts, aka "tar ballasts" (you find out why they are called that if you wire them wrong and they melt down :eek: ). These are cheap ballasts only costing a few bucks. That is a few bucks for the NO. When you buy them for VHO the price goes up about 8 fold. For the life of me I have no idea why that is. They should cost more but not that much more. The other option is an electronic ballast. WK does not recommend brands but Icecap electronic ballasts are so widely talked about in Reef circles that it has almost become a generic term.

Electronic ballasts are a big step up in both $$$ and features. Where magnetic ballasts need to be matched with the lighting used, electronics can run just about any fluorescent up to their rated capacity. Magnetic ballasts limit current by turning it into heat. Not so with an electronic. They run much cooler and are more energy efficient. They also allow dimming circuits to be used, which is not the case with magnetic.

Are they worth the extra bucks? Well if you are the type that likes to change things around a lot then you want electronic as they are so much more versatile. If you are the type that pretty much knows that the lights they have now will be the same in the future, then the cheaper magnetic may be the best. An exception to that rule is on very large tanks. Here the energy savings from the electronics may pay off in the long run.

When purchasing a ballast it is best if it can be placed in a location remote from the canopy. This helps prevent buildup of heat in tank. Since not all ballasts allow remote mounting you need to ask before you buy. Remote mounting of a ballast not designed for such a purpose can cause meltdown, or worse, a fire.

There is another type of fluorescent used in the Hobby. You've probably seen them where they are sold as energy saving substitutes for home incandescent bulbs. Many looking like an ice cream cone they are called Power Compacts or PCs for short. For a tank they are usually U-shaped tubes looking more like the neon tubes of the local beer sign than there bigger brothers. PCs come in different sizes, from little 6" nine watters to 34" ninety-six watters. Recently they have shown up in higher and higher K values. They also claim to have "true actinic" tubes these days a claim PC actinics could not make in the past. They have a special socket which comes in two styles. A 4 pin in-line and a 4 pin square design. Make sure you get the bulbs that match your sockets when ordering. Ballasts run either type.

Advantages of the PC are, of course, they take up less space and claim more light per watt than the T12 tubes. Some people, like me, find their light less pleasing than a VHO and prefer the latter. Again these need special magnetic ballasts and not too many people go that route, choosing electronic instead. In their favor there are lower cost electronic ballasts available to run them. They are really god sent for those that have small nano tanks where a T12 would be far too large.

Just coming into vogue are the T5 lamps these are a cross between the T12 and PC. They look like a T12 but are only 5/8ths of an inch, rather than an inch and a half. Their advantage again is that being thinner they take up less room and they claim to provide more illumination per watt used. Color rendition is also closer to a T12 than a PC, which may be an advantage. Unlike the T12 and T8, they use a smaller pin connector and cannot use the same sockets. There is considerable talk about them on the lighting forum. It would be worthwhile to read about them over there if you are considering them.

Well on to MH next session.
 
just a note to every one about lighting real quick,

while skimming the most recent chaper on lighting i saw something that caught my eye. and ive learned 2 lessons.

1. its best to read the entire post.

2. neon beer signs are not good reef light sources

3. beer and reefs dont mix either.

did i say 3 or 2 lessons. well never mind.

keep writing waterkeeper and ill keep drinking uh..err...reading...*hic*

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