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[HumbleFish]

1- Activated carbon can remove most of medicines like CP, General Cure ... from rocks, substrate, except ionic & chelated copper?

Yes, but only if the medication being stored by the rock has been released back into the water column. At least with copper its a back & forth situation - the rock absorbs copper, releases copper, rinse & repeat. A poly filter or Cuprisorb is best at removing copper.

2- Coppersafe, Copper Power are chelated copper. Coppersafe instruction is 1.5 - 2ppm and Copper Power is 2.5ppm. Somebody told the instruction of Copper Power was wrong. I've got a bottle of Copper Power on hand, should I keep 1.75ppm when treating?

1.5 - 2ppm is therapeutic range for chelated copper. Copper Power recommends overdosing out of an abundance of caution because most fish will handle 2.5 just fine. However, 1.75 is a good "middle-of-the-road" to aim for.

3- I've got a quarantine tank with live rocks, I think it's not good if treating fish in this tank with copper or CP. It's will be better if the fish is treated in the tank without rocks and substrate. Am I right?

Yes, however a sand substrate won't absorb meds as much as rock.

4- I saw your instructions from humble.fish. That the treating period can be shortened by transferring fish to quarantine tank after 2 weeks of treament. Do you think 8 days treating with copper or CP + tank transfer method (transferring every 48 hour x 4) can eradicate ich and velvet?

Technically yes, but 8 days is cutting it a little too close IMHO. 14 days allows for more leeway and margin for error.

 

[Tanthaitrung]

Many thanks HumbleFish

 

[Tanthaitrung]

Dear HumbleFish

I saw this information from your site:

Copper Power at 1.0 ppm, verified using the*Hanna Instruments*High Range Copper Colorimeter (HI702).
Over the next 48 hours, slowly raise your copper level to 1.75 ppm in gradual increments. You are now at a therapeutic copper level. Add to this*metronidazole. If using 100% metronidazole powder, dose 25*mg per gallon. Otherwise follow the maximum dosing instructions for whatever product (e.g. Seachem Metroplex) you are using.

- Chelated copper is started at 1ppm. After adding fish, slowly raise copper to 1.75ppm in 48 hours. That means the 30 day clock starts on day 3?

- Why do we add metronidazole to copper treatment but don’t do this with CP?

- We can use ammonia reducer when treating with CP, but can not use it with copper. Am I right?

Best regards
Khanh

 

[HumbleFish]

- Chelated copper is started at 1ppm. After adding fish, slowly raise copper to 1.75ppm in 48 hours. That means the 30 day clock starts on day 3?

The 30 day clock starts once copper has reached 1.75ppm.

- Why do we add metronidazole to copper treatment but don't do this with CP?

Chloroquine treats ich, velvet, brook, uronema. To achieve the same treatment coverage with copper you have to add metro to the mix. Copper treats ich + velvet; Metro treats brook + uronema.

- We can use ammonia reducer when treating with CP, but can not use it with copper. Am I right?

Correct

 

[Tanthaitrung]

How long should we rise the copper up to 1.75ppm? 48, 72 or 96 hours?

 

[HumbleFish]

How long should we rise the copper up to 1.75ppm? 48, 72 or 96 hours?

If starting at 1.0ppm, then 48 hours is fine.

 

[Tanthaitrung]

Thank you very much HumbleFish. You help me so much

 

[aikenreefkeeper]

Dear Humble Fish,

I have a few questions along the same line if you don't mind.

1: I have Cupramine on hand. It states on the bottle that .5 is the recommended dosage.
Can you run this all the way up to 1.75 ppm?
2: Can metronidazole be used in conjunction with Cupramine?
3: Is there species of fish that are sensitive to copper? If so what options are available for these.

Thanks,

Dean

 

[Tanthaitrung]

Hi Dean,

1) There are 2 kinds of copper, chelated and ionic. Coppersafe and Copper Power are chelated copper, that’s safer and HumbleFish like running at 1.75ppm. Cupramine is ionic copper and the direction of Seachem is 0.5ppm. If you want to treat with copper, must have a Hana HI702 checker to keep your level exactly.

2) Yes

3) Yes, I have a link from another forum, that talks about Fish and Treatment Guidelines (with chart), but can not share here. Give me your email, I will share it.

Good luck

 

[HumbleFish]

^^ Agree

Fish that are sensitive to copper (e.g. dragonets, lionfish, puffers, eels, sharks, rays, etc.) are usually good candidates for Chloroquine phosphate instead.

 

[Tanthaitrung]

Hi HumbleFish

I have some more questions:

- Can I buy the metronidazole 250mg medicine from pharmacy? If so, the 250 mg tablets have an equivalence of 150 mg metronidazole base?

- CP can be susceptible to biodegradation by nitrate?

- Copper, CP and metronidazole are harmful to biofilter?

- I have a Marine Betta. Could you please tell me, copper or CP is safer for him?

- Seachem told me, when using Cupramine no need to turn off skimmer. Is that right?

Regards
Khanh

 

[HumbleFish]

Can I buy the metronidazole 250mg medicine from pharmacy? If so, the 250 mg tablets have an equivalence of 150 mg metronidazole base?

Yes; dose according to the base.

CP can be susceptible to biodegradation by nitrate?

No; by bacteria in the tank and especially any biofilm.

Copper, CP and metronidazole are harmful to biofilter?

Somewhat, but if bacteria levels are strong they will quickly propagate and bounce back.

I have a Marine Betta. Could you please tell me, copper or CP is safer for him?

Both are fine. CP is probably a little safer.

Seachem told me, when using Cupramine no need to turn off skimmer. Is that right?

Yes, but your copper level will drop slightly every time you empty the skimmer cup.

 

[Tanthaitrung]

Big thanks HumbleFish, you're always here to help reefers

 

[Tanthaitrung]

Big thanks HumbleFish, you’re always here to help reefers

 

[Tanthaitrung]

Hi HumbleFish

I've got a pair of Black Storm Clown fish. I want to quarantine them with CP, but they're so small (1 inch long). Do you think they can pass the treatment?

Thanks
Khanh

 

[HumbleFish]

Hi HumbleFish

I've got a pair of Black Storm Clown fish. I want to quarantine them with CP, but they're so small (1 inch long). Do you think they can pass the treatment?

Thanks
Khanh

They should be fine in either CP or copper.

 

[Tanthaitrung]

Thanks again HumbleFish ��

Have a nice day.
Khanh

 

[Tanthaitrung]

Hi HumbleFish,

For quarantine tank, I’m dosing 3ml of vodka daily to control NO3, PO4

Can CP be susceptible to biodegradation by vodka?

Best regards
Khanh

 

[HumbleFish]

Hi HumbleFish,

For quarantine tank, I'm dosing 3ml of vodka daily to control NO3, PO4

Can CP be susceptible to biodegradation by vodka?

Best regards
Khanh

You definitely don't want to mix carbon dosing with CP.

1. Increased bacteria load increases the chances of biodegradation.

2. Mixing CP with ethyl alcohol increases the chances of a bacterial bloom (cloudy water) occurring, which can use up available oxygen and your fish die due to asphyxiation.

In short, don't worry about NO3 + PO4 in QT. Only worry about ammonia and to a lesser extent pH.

 

[Tanthaitrung]

Thanks so much HumbleFish