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[HumbleFish]

Thanks so much HumbleFish

You're very welcome

 

[Tanthaitrung]

Hi HumbleFish,

I saw the information from your site, that we can fallow 76 days to treat ich, 6 weeks to treat velvet ...

But my friend tells me it can be shortener if keeping the temperature around 30-32C. Is that truth?

Best regards
Khanh

 

[HumbleFish]

Hi HumbleFish,

I saw the information from your site, that we can fallow 76 days to treat ich, 6 weeks to treat velvet ...

But my friend tells me it can be shortener if keeping the temperature around 30-32C. Is that truth?

Best regards
Khanh

It's most likely correct, because the opposite (colder temps) has been proven to slow down most parasite's life cycle. However, I haven't seen any scientific studies which conclusively support that assertion.

P.S. 30-32C could harm any corals/inverts you have, and possibly even nitrifying bacteria. Running your tank @ 28C during the fallow period would be safer.

 

[Tanthaitrung]

It's most likely correct, because the opposite (colder temps) has been proven to slow down most parasite's life cycle. However, I haven't seen any scientific studies which conclusively support that assertion.

P.S. 30-32C could harm any corals/inverts you have, and possibly even nitrifying bacteria. Running your tank @ 28C during the fallow period would be safer.

Thanks again HumbleFish

 

[Tanthaitrung]

Dear HumbleFish,

I read this information from aquariumstoredepot:

If you have an infected fish and you need treatment now we highly recommended going to your LFS and obtaining Copper. Most of the diseases Chloroquine phosphate treats are extremely deadly and can kill a fish overnight.

https://aquariumstoredepot.com/collections/fish-medication-1/products/chloroquine-phosphate

- That means we use CP for quarantine only, can not use CP for treatment. Am I right?
- CP is heat & light sensitive. So when treating with CP, can we turn on the light?
- In Vietnam, the temperature is around 29-30C. Does it impact CP?

2 weeks treatment with CP is the information from here:
https://humble.fish/quarantine/

10 days treatment with CP is the information from here:
https://humble.fish/chloroquine-phosphate/

- Which one is correct?

Best regards
Khanh

 

[HumbleFish]

CP treats the following parasites: Ich, velvet, brook, uronema.

Brook & uronema both have a direct lifecycle; meaning those parasites live, feed & reproduce right on the fish (no encysted stage). Therefore, CP at therapeutic strength should kill those in a matter of days.

Velvet trophonts can only remain on a fish for a maximum of 4 days, for ich it's 7 days. (This is according to all published studies.) Once the trophonts all drop off, the presence of therapeutic strength CP in the water shields the fish from reinfection. Since it will kill (or mortally damage) any free swimmers before they can attach to a fish.

So, technically on Day 8 you can transfer the fish into another QT. 10 days provides a little more buffer, 14 days is even better.

^^ Note: The above only applies if you are working with two QTs, 10 feet apart, and nothing gets transferred between them other than the fish. If you only have 1 QT, best to treat for 30 days and then do water changes/run carbon to remove the medication from the water.

 

[Tanthaitrung]

Sorry about my English. But the information from aquariumstoredepot that still confuses me:

If you have an infected fish and you need treatment now we highly recommended going to your LFS and obtaining Copper. Most of the diseases Chloroquine phosphate treats are extremely deadly and can kill a fish overnight

- That means we use CP for prophylactic treatment only. Because CP will kill the infected fish?

- CP is heat & light sensitive. So when treating with CP, can we turn on the light? 29-30C can impact CP?

Thanks
Khanh

 

[HumbleFish]

That means we use CP for prophylactic treatment only. Because CP will kill the infected fish?

IME; CP is safer to use on most fish than copper. The three exceptions are Flasher Wrasses, Anthias and Hippo Tangs. These all appear to be intolerant of CP.

CP is heat & light sensitive. So when treating with CP, can we turn on the light? 29-30C can impact CP?

Only the powder itself is heat & light sensitive, you can run a light once it has been dosed in water.

29-30C is a bit on the warm side for treating fish, as there is less oxygen in water at higher temps and any medications you dose will also reduce available oxygen. Quarantining at 26-27C would probably be safer.

 

[Tanthaitrung]

Thanks so much HumbleFish :thumbsup:

 

[Tanthaitrung]

Dear HumbleFish,

Could you please tell me where to buy pure chloroquine phosphate?

Can I buy from ebay?

Thanks
Khanh

 

[ThRoewer]

Where to get it depends on where you are located. In the US you can buy it at Amazon: New Life Spectrum Powder Ick-Shield Bath Food, Medium
Somewhere else in the world you may have to go to a doctor or vet.
I would advise against buying off eBay as there is no simple way to tell if you get an effective product or just some ineffective white powder.
BTW, Chloroquine Phosphate is a malaria medication.

 

[Tanthaitrung]

Thanks so much ThRoewer,

I have some questions:

HumbleFish’s instructions:
- Use 15mg of CP per liter
- Treatment period is 30 days

New Life Spectrum’s instructions:
- Use 0.6g/20gal
- Treatment period is 21 days

What do you think about these differences?

Khanh

 

[HumbleFish]

NLS spectrum is recommending 30 mg/gal = 8 mg/L

There is strong anecdotal evidence that CP's actual therapeutic range is 5-20 mg/L. (That new info comes from a public aquarium.)

Is New Life Spectrum saying to redose after X no. of days? Or one-time treatment?

 

[Tanthaitrung]

No redose. Here is their instructions

 

[Tanthaitrung]

Do you think NLS ICK SHIELD is pure CP?

 

[HumbleFish]

Do you think NLS ICK SHIELD is pure CP?

It's probably diluted Chloroquine. So, I would dose @ 15 mg/L to compensate for that. Even if it was 99% pure (pharmaceutical-grade), 15 mg/L wouldn't be overdosing.

 

[Tanthaitrung]

Could you please tell me where to buy pure CP?

 

[ThRoewer]

Could you please tell me where to buy pure CP?

The only way to be sure to get pure CP is to get it from a pharmacy. And for that you would need a prescription.
I would think NLS Spectrum Ick Shield powder is pure CP or at least as pure as you may be able to get it. They may have added preservatives, antioxidants, and stabilizers to give it a longer shelf life but I don't think that they stretched it like it is often the case with what you get off eBay.
From what I remember, one issue with pure CP is that it has to be fresh to be effective. If you let it sit around for too long it looses its potency.
So if you have or can get Ick Shield Powder I would go with that for now while trying to get a prescription to get CP from a pharmacy.

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[Tanthaitrung]

Thanks again TheRoewer

I saw the the information from here that said Ick Shield Powder no expiry. Is that truth?

https://premiumaquatics.com/products/life-spectrum-ick-shield-powder-50g.html

Regards
Khanh