Splitting Carpet Anemonies
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miniwhinny
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miniwhinny
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...and so do anemone shrimp
elegance coral
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Just as a point of clarification. Tapetum is an anemone that reproduces asexually about as fast as aiptasia and is about as hardy. The larger variety we call "Maxi Mini's" is pretty tough as well. These anemones are night and day different from host species. If these anemones survive this treatment as readily as MiniWhinny suggests, and I have absolutely no reason do doubt him/her, this is great news. In five years we'll probably have beautiful little "carpets" all over the hobby for next to nothing. We still won't be successfully propagating haddoni, gigantea, crispa, malu, adhaesivum, mertensii, doreensis, or aurora by fragmentation.
miniwhinny
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I'm a "her" and you're right....these are not fish hosting nems and are very hardy.
I am afraid i would have to disagree, here are some examples of fragged giganta's in aus,
heres the other half in another tank
these are still going strong approx 7 months after the cut.....
and this is a piece of one that was cut into 8 by a coral farmer/collector in aus
and this is a pic taken 12hrs after cutting - you can see already inflated with clowns hosting.
this is cut exactly the same as doing a ric, right thru the mouth.
heres the other half in another tank
these are still going strong approx 7 months after the cut.....
and this is a piece of one that was cut into 8 by a coral farmer/collector in aus
and this is a pic taken 12hrs after cutting - you can see already inflated with clowns hosting.
this is cut exactly the same as doing a ric, right thru the mouth.
shabreeson
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I am afraid i would have to disagree, here are some examples of fragged giganta's in aus,
heres the other half in another tank
these are still going strong approx 7 months after the cut.....
and this is a piece of one that was cut into 8 by a coral farmer/collector in aus
and this is a pic taken 12hrs after cutting - you can see already inflated with clowns hosting.
this is cut exactly the same as doing a ric, right thru the mouth.
This calls for a case study...any experienced gig keeper, with a healthy nem, feel like taking one for the team?
elegance coral
They call me EC
This calls for a case study...any experienced gig keeper, with a healthy nem, feel like taking one for the team?
:lmao: If anyone came near my gigantea with a butcher knife........... Well, lets just say it wouldn't be pretty.:uzi:
elegance coral
They call me EC
I'm sorry but your photos don't prove anything. You post a couple of large, very clear pic's that show slightly stressed gigantea. I don't understand how this supports your argument. Then you post a small, out of focus, pic of what you claim is a gigantea after being cut in two. The pic is so small and out of focus we can't tell anything about the anemone. This is like those photos of big foot or UFOs that are always shaky and out of focus. :hmm3:
No one is saying it's impossible for an anemone to survive this. I ran into a parked tractor trailer on the interstate at full speed and survived. That doesn't mean it's a good idea to go slam into parked trucks at high speed. There's a very high likelihood you will die. There may be that rare case where an anemone survives this treatment. That doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of these animals will die if cut in two. This isn't a reliable means of propagation. This is a horrible practice that targets those precious few anemones that actually survive the transition into captivity.
Posts like yours, even if true, simply encourage people to kill their anemones.
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if showing large clear pics of propped giganta's (first two pics are taken approx 1 month after cutting) prove nothing and dont support my arguement i guess you would not be convinced if you saw one cut with your own eyes and kept it for yourself for a year or so???
I could use my SLR instead of my phone to take pics of the fresh cut ones but i guess i would be wasting my time as would still not prove anything.
also the world is round not flat....:lmao:
I would love to watch you cut your own gigantea. I, (started this thread), am a believer if I see it. Feel free to share your process here.
OrionN
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I believe it when I see the documentation of the whole process. Just show picture of one or two and said that they are cutting and doing well just not "cutting it" for me. I guess I am just not trusting type of person. We all know someone who keep stating that all anemones can be cut but not able to show any healthy anemones as result of his process.
elegance coral
They call me EC
I was debating on how I was going to respond next, but after your post, I don't believe I need to. Very good post, and I couldn't agree more.:thumbsup:
I had a gig with multiple mouths, Sadly it did not survive past 1 month of getting it. 
It was huge, and i believe one of the mouths was splitting off from the body, It was all but separate except the foot.
I believe given the chance it would have split. I feel bad for buying it now and will never purchase another because of the low rate of survival.
I would never cut one, nor even think on it, But if it split naturally i would not complain.
Since I just had a green haddoni, and thought i would test it out for a year, Well its been 2 and i just got a huge red one since this one has done very well. Heres a vid of the monster gig. I cant prove the multiple mouths but i think you can get an idea.
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It was huge, and i believe one of the mouths was splitting off from the body, It was all but separate except the foot.I believe given the chance it would have split. I feel bad for buying it now and will never purchase another because of the low rate of survival.
I would never cut one, nor even think on it, But if it split naturally i would not complain.
Since I just had a green haddoni, and thought i would test it out for a year, Well its been 2 and i just got a huge red one since this one has done very well. Heres a vid of the monster gig. I cant prove the multiple mouths but i think you can get an idea.
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elegance coral
They call me EC
I had a gig with multiple mouths, Sadly it did not survive past 1 month of getting it.
I believe given the chance it would have split. I feel bad for buying it now and will never purchase another because of the low rate of survival.
I would never cut one, nor even think on it, But if it split naturally i would not complain.
Since I just had a green haddoni, and thought i would test it out for a year, Well its been 2 and i just got a huge red one since this one has done very well. Heres a vid of the monster gig. I cant prove the multiple mouths but i think you can get an idea.
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The multiple mouth thing, while not real common, does show up from time to time. So does twin pedal disks, and what's often called "buds", or what appears to be smaller anemones growing off of larger ones. These are not signs of reproduction though. These are simple deformities. If your anemone would have survived, you simply would have had an anemone with two mouths. It never would have split into two anemones. We have no evidence to suggest these deformities have the potential to lead to reproduction.
phender
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While I agree that we can't assume that multiple mouths, buds, etc. are signs of reproduction, we also can't state as fact that they are the result of injury or deformation, unless you have some data of which I am not aware.
elegance coral
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http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...y&sa=X&ei=ZCtfTb-bKsT6lwe6rZn_Cw&ved=0CBMQkAE
Quote from the link.
"•A deformity, dysmorphism, or dysmorphic feature is a major difference in the shape of body part or organ compared to the average shape of that part"
Anemones with two mouths, twin pedal disks, or "buds" are examples of deformities. These are major differences from the average shape of an anemone. There's no special data needed to show these are deformities.
What caused these deformities is up for debate, but the fact that they are deformities is not. Maybe it was caused by an injury??? Maybe it's the result of a genetic malfunction???? Who knows??? We surely can not look at an animal that's clearly deformed and assume the deformity is going to result in a totally new individual. To make such a leap, we would first need evidence to support it. To the best of my knowledge, that evidence does not exist.
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phender
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OK, let me put it another way. We can't assume that it is reproduction from a snapshot in time. We also can't state as fact that it is not a form of reproduction.
Other anemones reproduce via budding. I have seen a progression of pics of a haddoni bud growing into an oral disk equalling the size of the "mother" disk. When the last pic was taken they still shared a foot. This anemone was not born with this deformity and the deformity grew and developed all the things it needed to live on its own. To me that is enough observation to at least form a hypothesis. Observations of a six month + process in nature would be rather difficult. You would first have to find one in a suspected process and then keep tabs on it. Not many researchers have that kind of time or money.
I understand that you are not ready to make the jump and say that carpets can reproduce asexually, but I am surprised that you don't seem to leave any room for that to be a possibility.
Other anemones reproduce via budding. I have seen a progression of pics of a haddoni bud growing into an oral disk equalling the size of the "mother" disk. When the last pic was taken they still shared a foot. This anemone was not born with this deformity and the deformity grew and developed all the things it needed to live on its own. To me that is enough observation to at least form a hypothesis. Observations of a six month + process in nature would be rather difficult. You would first have to find one in a suspected process and then keep tabs on it. Not many researchers have that kind of time or money.
I understand that you are not ready to make the jump and say that carpets can reproduce asexually, but I am surprised that you don't seem to leave any room for that to be a possibility.
