SPS Targeted Feeding Macro Video Experiment

[Dukester]

Looks like mucus to me. Mucus is used to remove debris and capture food.

trueblackpercula: Read this: http://coral.aims.gov.au/info/structure-tissue.jsp

that is not mucus.. those extend when feeding coral food and retract within an hour later... hard to tell from from my photo too i guess, i searched around a bit and this debate has taken place here before once or twice, it seems some people think its a defensive response and some think its a feeding response...

 

[trueblackpercula]

I agree feeder polyps extending outwards also what are you feeding?

 

[Dukester]

I agree feeder polyps extending outwards also what are you feeding?

brs reef chilli, i dissolve 1/4 tsp of it in a cup of tank water shut my return pump off and dump it in.

 

[Ptyochromis]

that is not mucus.. those extend when feeding coral food and retract within an hour later... hard to tell from from my photo too i guess, i searched around a bit and this debate has taken place here before once or twice, it seems some people think its a defensive response and some think its a feeding response...

Sorry pic is a little blurry, hard to tell where they originate.
If not that it looks somewhat like mesenterial filaments.
Here is a time lapse of it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5xcRToL55I

Here is a pic of meseteria filaments from an acro.
http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/i4DfdQSA35E/maxresdefault.jpg

 

[sahin]

I posted this article on Biggles' other thread and so thought I should post it here too.

http://sdrv.ms/1cdOiKi Coral farming: effects of light, water motion and artificial foods

 

[74Killer]

Thanks Sahin for posting that article!

 

[Ptyochromis]

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[biggles]

Thanks for posting that paper here Sahin, much appreciated mate

Being very impressed with the Reef Roids i was p*ssed off to discover that was the only Polyp Lab product allowed into Aus. I figure if they didn't lie about the roids actually being acro food then maybe they haven't lied about the rest of their stuff lol - that's my reasoning anyway
I just discovered that a second product from them is now available here so i've ordered a bottle of Polyp-Booster and it better bloody do something as it cost me $45- with postage for 100ml. :crazy1:

The blurb says:

Designed to improve the health and vibrance of all scleractinian corals, by providing superior nutrition. Can trigger a feeding response in most aquarium inhabitants including corals, inverts, crustaceans and fish in less than 30 seconds. 1 dropper half full per 227 litres (60 gallons).

Contains:
18 Amino-acids (60% of dry weight)
12 Fatty acids (20% of dry weight)
And as much as 120ppm of Astaxanthan pigment, from natural sources.

Polyp-Booster is safe for any type of marine aquarium and once your reef has experienced Polyp-Booster's superior nutrition, it's inhabitants will reward you with amazing vibrancy and fantastic growth.


I'm going to give it a whirl and i'll let you know if anything happens in 30 bloody seconds and if my inhabitants have even more vibrancy and the growth is fantastic. Obviously if i don't see this stuff i'm going to cut loose on Polyp Lab............. forty bloody five bloody dollars.......

Has anyone else tried this stuff before ?

 

[Arkayology]

Very informative thread! I have been using BRS reef chili for a few months now and get a good reaction with m. filaments out of most of my acros while target feeding with all pumps off. I also squirt a little oyster feast into the mix just to add a little treat.

 

[sahin]

Thanks for posting that paper here Sahin, much appreciated mate

Being very impressed with the Reef Roids i was p*ssed off to discover that was the only Polyp Lab product allowed into Aus. I figure if they didn't lie about the roids actually being acro food then maybe they haven't lied about the rest of their stuff lol - that's my reasoning anyway
I just discovered that a second product from them is now available here so i've ordered a bottle of Polyp-Booster and it better bloody do something as it cost me $45- with postage for 100ml. :crazy1:

The blurb says:

Designed to improve the health and vibrance of all scleractinian corals, by providing superior nutrition. Can trigger a feeding response in most aquarium inhabitants including corals, inverts, crustaceans and fish in less than 30 seconds. 1 dropper half full per 227 litres (60 gallons).

Contains:
18 Amino-acids (60% of dry weight)
12 Fatty acids (20% of dry weight)
And as much as 120ppm of Astaxanthan pigment, from natural sources.

Polyp-Booster is safe for any type of marine aquarium and once your reef has experienced Polyp-Booster's superior nutrition, it's inhabitants will reward you with amazing vibrancy and fantastic growth.


I'm going to give it a whirl and i'll let you know if anything happens in 30 bloody seconds and if my inhabitants have even more vibrancy and the growth is fantastic. Obviously if i don't see this stuff i'm going to cut loose on Polyp Lab............. forty bloody five bloody dollars.......

Has anyone else tried this stuff before ?

Mate, here is couple of promo videos about it:


This video has dramatic music...maybe they think the music will cause you to buy it :lol:


Let us know if the corals respond in the way they show that Green Millepora (1:04 into video) in the 1st video I posted. If most of your corals show that same response I am getting this product too!

Very informative thread! I have been using BRS reef chili for a few months now and get a good reaction with m. filaments out of most of my acros while target feeding with all pumps off. I also squirt a little oyster feast into the mix just to add a little treat.

Reef Chili was available in the UK a year or so back...but due to freaking stupid EU Regulations...no longer available here! :angryfire:

 

[biggles]

Very informative thread! I have been using BRS reef chili for a few months now and get a good reaction with m. filaments out of most of my acros while target feeding with all pumps off. I also squirt a little oyster feast into the mix just to add a little treat.

Thanks for dropping in mate, appreciate the info on the reef chili. After i read that paper and knowing how accurate they were in regards to the effectiveness of the reef roids i was extremely bummed to discover i can't get the chili in Aus. I think anyone with access to it and reef roids should have them in the reef cupboard, if the chili is anything like reef roids it will benefit all the micro life in your tank not just the acros.

Hmmmmm, first off i don't entirely trust the impartiality of that guy in the first vid Sahin, i think it might be best that i use the biggleometer bullsh*t video testing equipment to conduct more rigorous examination of these claims. I should warn you that if i do see improved growth and colors it's highly likely i'll lie and say it's crap just so i'm the only one who gets great growth and colors.............:celeb1:
The second video had heaps of flubber in it so it's not really relevant to the reef keeping hobby imo - that's all i have to say about that. :hmm2:
It sucks here too Sahin, i can't get chili or i'd definitely be using it with the reef roids, cyclop-eeze and the mysis mush. The polyp booster has only recently become legal to import and the only other things available are all those garbage bottled snow type products which i found to do nothing at all over the years - i tried lots of those products years ago when that was all there was to buy. The paper you posted points out a few of the ones i tried btw. In the end i discovered mysis mush and that was the main thing i targeted the acros with. Nowdays they get three course dining lol.

 

[small_polyp]

great thread! thanks for outtng so much work in
The issue ive always had with feeding my acros..and ive gone thru several phases with it over the years..is a point of diminishing returns. How much excess nutrients we are putting in our systems versus the added benefits. Im am in no way saying its not beneficial, but in the same breath ive seen enough tanks with amazing growth and coloration never fed.
In the long run..as in months or years and not weeks..if ones system can handle the nutrients more power to ya IMO but am important thing is checking, tracking,and testing to see the long term effects.
These reefs we have are around a long time (hopefully :hmm3 and many times long term effects dot show them-selves until a RTN event or a crash.

 

[trueblackpercula]

These reefs we have are around a long time (hopefully :hmm3 and many times long term effects dot show them-selves until a RTN event or a crash.

Tell me about it Lol but with the correct nutrient import and export all is possable.

 

[biggles]

great thread! thanks for outtng so much work in
The issue ive always had with feeding my acros..and ive gone thru several phases with it over the years..is a point of diminishing returns. How much excess nutrients we are putting in our systems versus the added benefits. Im am in no way saying its not beneficial, but in the same breath ive seen enough tanks with amazing growth and coloration never fed.
In the long run..as in months or years and not weeks..if ones system can handle the nutrients more power to ya IMO but am important thing is checking, tracking,and testing to see the long term effects.
These reefs we have are around a long time (hopefully :hmm3 and many times long term effects dot show them-selves until a RTN event or a crash.

As with everything we do mate, caution and good monitoring is needed - SPS don't usually forgive and forget lol.

Tell me about it Lol but with the correct nutrient import and export all is possable.

Nicely put Michael


Got the Polyp-Booster today - the quickest acro to look like he was on crack for corals was the SSC and he took a good 60 seconds to get all jiggy with his mesenterial filaments. Obviously this means it's no good so don't anyone go out and buy the stuff.............. i tried to put out the polyp fire with a dose of reef roids but that just made things worse.......... there's no stopping doped up acros once they get the munchies so you better have some food to give 'em.

Used the flash on the phone as i couldn't wait until lights out so i turned all the lights off except for the two B+ T5's at the front. Had just added another WP-25 and cleaned the other pumps so the acros weren't too happy to start lol. Tomorrow i'll wait until lights out when everything is polyped up as normal and then add the polyp booster. The two closeups were just B+ but you can still see the obvious reaction. Lots of 'sperimenting' coming up which will be much less spur of the moment and better recorded .

 

[trueblackpercula]

Mr. Big

I love the videos but are you joking when you say that when you see mesenterial filaments that's a bad thing? They reason I ask is when I feed oyster feast every other night 3mls most if not all my acros do that. Seriously is this a good thing or bad thing?
Thanks

 

[biggles]

Lol hey mate, yes i was joking. I was very impressed with the positive reaction and the clown even gulped the stuff down so i'm pretty sure it's good stuff and not an annoyance reaction. Those filaments increase the acros food catching ability which is why i added the reef roids. If the oyster food prompts that reaction then i believe your on a winner there too but i don't have access to that stuff to try myself unfortunately.

 

[trueblackpercula]

Lol hey mate, yes i was joking. I was very impressed with the positive reaction and the clown even gulped the stuff down so i'm pretty sure it's good stuff and not an annoyance reaction. Those filaments increase the acros food catching ability which is why i added the reef roids. If the oyster food prompts that reaction then i believe your on a winner there too but i don't have access to that stuff to try myself unfortunately.

Lol very funny. Here is a better source of food the oyster feast that you can make seeing you can't get oyster feast in the land of down under. I plan on starting this food once my oyster feast is completed.

Blu coral method

Materials:
5 Oysters
5 Mussels
5 Clams
5 Shrimp (NOT cocktail shrimp, the big scampi type w/o the head and the shell)
1 Tablespoon of Sugar (not corn syrup, etc.)
200 mL of RO/DI water
10 g of Red Algae

 

[trueblackpercula]

Here is the rest of the method and the Italians sure have some crazy looking acroporas.

Pappone Recipe “ Italian Coral Food (Updated 1/14/2007)

Materials:
5 Oysters
5 Mussels
5 Clams
5 Shrimp (NOT cocktail shrimp, the big scampi type w/o the head and the shell)
1 Tablespoon of Sugar (not corn syrup, etc.)
200 mL of RO/DI water
10 g of Red Algae (Palmaria palmata; Bisck uses Julian Sprung's brand)
and/or 10 g of Spirulina, 10 g of Nori (spirulina is what Bisck prefers)

Methods: Make SURE that all ingredients are the freshest possible and DO NOT use frozen foods (unless it is impossible for you). Make sure everything "live" is rinsed and cleaned before putting it into the blender. Put all the ingredients into the blender and blend for 5 min, wait 2 min for it to cool, 5 more min blending, 2 min of waiting again, then finally another 5 min of blending (the pausing is so that the solution doesn't get too hot and "cook" from the heat of the blender/blades). Pour into cube forms (approx 10 mL each). Then freeze it all—you want to minimize how long everything is at room temperature.

Procedure: One hour prior to turning off your lights, you have the option of adding Amino acids to the tank*. (For example, 11pm Halides off, add AA’s, 12am, actinics off, then add pappone). Take off the cup of your skimmer, but leave the skimmer running (so you don’t have a massive drop in O2 levels overnight). After the lights are off, start with only a ¼ of a cube per WEEK for every 400 L of tank water (approx 100 gallons). Be sure to measure NO3 and PO4 the next morning so that these parameters don't spike after feeding. You can reduce the amount fed if you are having nutrient problems. Also don’t forget to put the skimmer cup back on the next morning before the lights go back on.

*If everything is going well. It is good to wait and see how the tank is doing for awhile before trying this. The whole point here is that you don't want to change anything too fast, because nothing good happens quickly in this hobby. (Another method to grind up amino acid pills in the next batch of food; however Bisck found that it sometimes causes diatom outbreaks in his tank


And here are there tanks.
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=971190

 

[dr.big]

Here is the rest of the method and the Italians sure have some crazy looking acroporas.

Pappone Recipe "œ Italian Coral Food (Updated 1/14/2007)

Materials:
5 Oysters
5 Mussels
5 Clams
5 Shrimp (NOT cocktail shrimp, the big scampi type w/o the head and the shell)
1 Tablespoon of Sugar (not corn syrup, etc.)
200 mL of RO/DI water
10 g of Red Algae (Palmaria palmata; Bisck uses Julian Sprung's brand)
and/or 10 g of Spirulina, 10 g of Nori (spirulina is what Bisck prefers)

Methods: Make SURE that all ingredients are the freshest possible and DO NOT use frozen foods (unless it is impossible for you). Make sure everything "live" is rinsed and cleaned before putting it into the blender. Put all the ingredients into the blender and blend for 5 min, wait 2 min for it to cool, 5 more min blending, 2 min of waiting again, then finally another 5 min of blending (the pausing is so that the solution doesn't get too hot and "cook" from the heat of the blender/blades). Pour into cube forms (approx 10 mL each). Then freeze it allâ€"you want to minimize how long everything is at room temperature.

Procedure: One hour prior to turning off your lights, you have the option of adding Amino acids to the tank*. (For example, 11pm Halides off, add AA’s, 12am, actinics off, then add pappone). Take off the cup of your skimmer, but leave the skimmer running (so you don’t have a massive drop in O2 levels overnight). After the lights are off, start with only a ¼ of a cube per WEEK for every 400 L of tank water (approx 100 gallons). Be sure to measure NO3 and PO4 the next morning so that these parameters don't spike after feeding. You can reduce the amount fed if you are having nutrient problems. Also don’t forget to put the skimmer cup back on the next morning before the lights go back on.

*If everything is going well. It is good to wait and see how the tank is doing for awhile before trying this. The whole point here is that you don't want to change anything too fast, because nothing good happens quickly in this hobby. (Another method to grind up amino acid pills in the next batch of food; however Bisck found that it sometimes causes diatom outbreaks in his tank


And here are there tanks.
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=971190

great recipe, but i recently read here on RC that it would be better to feed during the day to not get in the way of the calcification. What you guys think about it?

 

[Fail_sh3d]

great recipe, but i recently read here on RC that it would be better to feed during the day to not get in the way of the calcification. What you guys think about it?

I have read that, but I don't see the feeders out during the day. I only feed corals at night. My corals have never shown stunted growth because of this. I feed based off of when I see the strongest signs of "hunger" in my sps.