Talk me off the ledge

QuiGonJay

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Well, 2 years in and I've hit the wall. After successfully battling dinoflaggellates, hitchhiking homicidal stone crabs and parasitic isopods, I have been done in by the comparatively common culprits of bubble algae and bryopsis ( I think).

Had several posts on here the last few months and have tried lots of things. More frequent water changes, 3 day blackouts, purchasing high quality phosphate kits, physically removing algae and treating with hydrogen peroxide, and even adding a gfo reactor.

Phosphates still register nothing, which I'm told can be a false positive as they are just getting used up in the water column (so how the heck do you know where your at?). Nitrates are between 10 and 15. Not ideal but actually very consistent for my tank (I've been taking readings and documenting since day 1, usually every 2 or 3 weeks.) My husbandry has been consistent (did a lot of reasearch on these forums before running the tank). Water changes have always been every other week (about 15%) and always with Rodi water. Been running a skimmer for about a year. Test water parms every 2 or 3 weeks. Feeding is probably lighter than it should be honestly, small amount only once a day, never enough to get to the bottom. Frozen food is rinsed first. I've removed many of the live rocks by hand during weekly maintenance and applied hydrogen peroxide to try and kill the bryopsis I couldn't manually remove. I've manually removed tons of bubble algae with a siphon or taking out the rocks to remove, rinse and return. I removed the small refugium in the back of the 45
gallon all in one and added a gfo reactor for 4 weeks. Switched out the media every 5 days only to find it kept escaping the reactor. Didn't seem to help much and also tanked my alk (also, coincidentally or not seems to have kicked off a doatom bloom which i also cant seem to fix) so I've put the refugium back and I'm slowly raising the alk back. (My sump crab is happier. :) ). Corals are softies (toadstool leather, gsp, kenya tree, sinularia and xenia) and LPS (duncan, candy cane and Caribbean rose). All are growing and happy, to be honest. But I can't decrease the algae. It's driving me nuts. I feel like I need to just nuke all the rock or just live with the algae. Photo attached; could be worse I suppose but after nearly 6 months, I feel like I've lost the battle.

I know that it's part of the hobby, you can try to do everything right and it still goes awry. But it can be so supremely frustrating. Sorry for the long post, just needed to vent I guess and let other new folks know that even two years in you are still 'new to the hobby' :)

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Sorry to hear about the troubles. I'm having some of my own at the moment also. [emoji51]. It sounds like you have done some research & spent some time on it. I would keep battling it, don't let the frustrations keep you from the rewards!! Good luck. [emoji106]


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Have you tried an emerald crab for the bubble algae?

There's also a good thread going on about using kalk paste on bryopsis. Seems to be working well for them so far.
 
Preventing algae blooms like that is impossible. It would be like eating a candy bar with no sugar. The two coexist in nature, so you're GOING to get this stuff into your tank at some point. Thing is the majority of it is just temporary blooms that can linger for weeks or months because your tank has gone from where it was, to having everything thrown out of wack by a fast growing nuisance algae the sucks up your good nutrients. That essentially starts a vicious cycle of things start to die, nitrate goes up, algae feeds more, spreads more, blah blah blah and just keeps going. It can really only last so long because the algae is eventually going to kill itself off when it runs out of food. You've done it before so there's no reason you can't do it again. It's like dealing with one of those weeks were someone gets a flat, wrecks their car, it rains on their head, etc.

Popping the bubbles will spread them. Cutting bryopsis spreads it. Those are two pretty light intensive algae that ACTUALLY are almost a positive because they require better conditions to even survive. Emerald crabs will keep popping and eating them, but keep spreading them. Everything will. And the females eat more than the males. The difference is the girdles. On their under-belly there's a thing that looks like an apron. Males have ones that look like a "blade" and females have ones that are more oval and dark striped.

There's a billion things that will eat bryopsis. As far as "bad algae" that's about the best bad algae you can get IMO. Shows your params are good and it usually is just unsightly to look at, but doesn't tend to really hurt anything unless water chemistry gets that far gone.

There's my 2 cents. Everything on this planet that's beautiful also has an ugly side, everything.
 
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Man your tank looks awesome and it looks like you have had it a long time. Honestly you shouldn't be posting in new to the hobby. This is for something more advanced. You have a tank that the newbies (like me) can only dream about at this point. Keep on going. Just out of curiosity what tank and filters are you running


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Don't give up!
I struggled to get my 125 balanced for over a year. Even though I had other successful tanks, this one nearly killed me.
Ich, coral die off, algae, cyano, you name it. I came close to shutting it down and just devoting my time to the other tanks.
Fighting the GHA made the difference though. After weeks of constant scrubbing and large WC's, the tank turned the corner.
Fish colors popped, lobos swelled and even SPS are growing.
Patience will be rewarded.
 
Have you tried an algae turf scrubber? I use one of my own design, algae was almost gone after about a month, now, 6 months later, there isn't any sign of algae anywhere, including the ATO screen! They are VERY effective.
 
Thanks for the comments. Sometimes you need some reassurance to stay the course. Will research the ATS and stuff that could eat bryopsis (I honestly couldn't find anything on that before) and Kalk paste. Thanks again.

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Fish gate, would be curious to see your design. My problem is that this is a 45 gallon all in one, so may not have the space for it.

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Betakical, it is a 45 gallon all in one, my first tank. Been up about 2 years. Started off with running carbon (chemipure elite), purigen and removed the sponges and ceramic media the filter racks came with. Use filter floss on the baskets to help trap gunk (gotta change them out frequently though). Added led light, auto top off and skimmer and wavemaker (small gyre) over the first year as budget allowed. Have tried 3 skimmers, for the all in one design a hob is the one that worked best. To be fair I have created some of my own issues by using Caribbean live rock (algae, gorilla crab). But I still think it's worth it for the life I got: sponges, porcelain crabs, a small gorgonian, tube worms and the two rose coral (the ones that look like brain coral). With reef aquariums, it seems only one thing out whack can throw the whole system for months. Logically I know that but, man it is still frustrating! ;) Good luck!

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Don't give up! I'd def look into some type of algae reactor/ ATS. I'm setting up one for my tank now as I battle through a bad outbreak. Your tank looks much better than mine does too.
 
Man your tank looks awesome and it looks like you have had it a long time. Honestly you shouldn't be posting in new to the hobby. This is for something more advanced. You have a tank that the newbies (like me) can only dream about at this point. Keep on going. Just out of curiosity what tank and filters are you running


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I am sure it is driving you crazy, but just for perspective you have a stunning tank. So what is an eyesore to you is a top notch reef aquarium. Keep combating it. I think that is what the hobby is all about- just a year in so maybe I will think differently in a year.
 
Have you tried an algae turf scrubber? I use one of my own design, algae was almost gone after about a month, now, 6 months later, there isn't any sign of algae anywhere, including the ATO screen! They are VERY effective.

X2 to this suggestion. I have launched ATS's 2.5 years ago, and ALL nuisance algae, small bryopsis, and dinos have disappeared and have never returned.

I also use a Chaeto reactor, as a backup/assist to remove excess nutrients as I feel my ATS's are a bit small.

You have a great looking tank, and your nuisance issues can easily be controlled with something acting as a nutrient export.
 
Fish gate, would be curious to see your design. My problem is that this is a 45 gallon all in one, so may not have the space for it.

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Mine won't work without a sump. Basically PVC pipes with the algae screen (craft screen) suspended above the sump. 200gph pump trickling water over it. Home Depot shop light with 100 watt 2700k CFL bulb. Screen is quick release for easy cleaning. Water runs though the PVC.
 
I wouldn't keep throwing stuff at it. To me that's one of the most discouraging things on the planet. It's like having a car with a weird noise and you keep replacing parts. You know what you're doing apparently. Time to self-invest and do what you've done in the past. Could end up with a 17 calcium reactors, 3 nitrate reactors, 14 zeovit reactors, 1 biopellet reactor, 14 canister filters, 9 more nitrate reactors, 47 GFO reactors, and dose everything on the planet (lol don't do that)

Fact is you've been here before, and actually Dino is PROBABLY the worst thing you can get IMO. This is like a gnat at a barbecue compared to that stuff. You already know how this stuff runs it course and how to handle it.
 
The tank looks great man. Believe it or not 2 years is still relatively young for a reef tank. I would just keep your nutrient removal up and persist. Or get a bigger tank you seem to have a knack for this hobby.
 
The sensible motto for reefers is 'this, too, shall pass.' In general, keep good numbers and pests become transient. Do I have a few too many aiptasia and a little bubble, a little brown dust and a little cyano here and there? Yes, sure. But there used to be a lot, part of the way to here. The blackout last fall set me back, but we're getting there again. If your tank is chemically stable you can survive things that would kill other tanks and your pests will gradually be overwhelmed by the things you're trying to cultivate. Most marine pests have a niche slightly 'off' from really great---classic example, cyano, which likes wonky lighting and hair, which loves phosphate.
 
Aboutacans, your are right, I already have an extra media reactor and in sump skimmer. ;) appreciate the advice, sometimes you see all the gorgeous tanks and expect perfection that probably isn't realistic. And yes, the dinos were hell on earth! Will keep on keeping on and remind myself that while bubble algae may REALLY bug me (hate the way it looks!), all my fish, inverts, softies and LPS are happy and growing, so I shouldn't sweat it too much. 2 tears in and I feel like I'm starting to know my tanks idiosyncrasies. . . Officially off the ledge, thanks everyone!

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