nateqt
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http://www.mrsaltwatertank.com/mr-s...s-brett-raymer-star-of-animal-planets-tanked/
this was prolly posted already but if not watch it, explains a lot
this was prolly posted already but if not watch it, explains a lot
"Tanked" Poor Example
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Baldwin
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Obviously you must be from northern wv, to not know the facts on this subject... they've also said several times "redneck is are head builder, he can build anything." i don't see how that is derogatory at all.
Flippers4pups
Home made abyss
"Can't wait for season 2. Let's see how much dumber it can get."
Let's all hope not. Just let this one die off into the sunset.
Let's all hope not. Just let this one die off into the sunset.
bif24701
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For the record I'm well educated on WV, however that has little to do with labeling people.
doctorgori
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just stumbled on this thread, that was a brave post (got more kahunas than me) ... I agree FWIW
...i.e "Howard Stern", "Rush Limbaugh", "Glenn Beck" and I can name 1 dozen other media moguls on TV and Radio....makes you wonder if the Human Race truly consist of a higher percentage of dummies than we care to admit or we just love watching train wrecks...
...the fact we are even dignifying this show with conversation proves thier tactics work
DownwardDawg
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I watched 10 minutes of an episode the other night. I'll never get that 10 minutes of my life back. I'll never tune in again.
no694terry
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I too have been worried about this show. I don't know if they let these tanks cycle off-air or what but the only one i ever saw that i had a bit of hope for was the fungshai tank with the sump in the basement, but then right around the same time they made a keg tank mixed with african and american cichlids that don't belong near each other and come from two completely didferent water chemistries.
NyReefNoob
skimmer freak
< is a proud redneck, and the term came from farmers, not what most people think
Love it or hate it, this show has the potential of doing for the hobby/industry what "Finding Nemo" did..., that is capture a new aquarium keeping audience, generation. I think that if the aquarium hobby/industry has a snow balls chance in Hell of surviving future generations, etc. then we need to stand back, swallow our aquarium keeping moral pride and let the moment happen. No doubt it is a shame for the animals involved during those circumstances....(all the "Tanked" fish additions, and all the misappropriated "Nemos"), but that is part of the deal, gotta take the good with the bad...
As far as the show is concerned, I do think the "The General" is the man behind the curtain, and they would not be the success and operation they are, without him. Also, I like how the "camera" makes it seem like there are only 4-5 people running that business and keeping house at that big honkin' building they got, lol!
As far as the show is concerned, I do think the "The General" is the man behind the curtain, and they would not be the success and operation they are, without him. Also, I like how the "camera" makes it seem like there are only 4-5 people running that business and keeping house at that big honkin' building they got, lol!
super stooge
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i believe people are missing the point of this discussion. As viewers, we can only judge what we see. As many people have pointed out already, after editing, reality and reality TV are two very different things. Comments about the builders practices and personalities are premature in my opinion due to this fact. All we can pass judgment on is the show itself and its effects. Do i have differences in opinion in how to set up an aquarium to brett? yes. i am not closed minded enough to believe that "my way" is the only way though, especially seeing as he is a far more experienced hobbyist than me. Maybe his seeded bioballs work great for him?, i dont know.
Having said that though, the way the show is presented portrays terrible fishkeeping practices. Even if all of the precautions are taken behind the scenes, the viewing audience doesnt see this. theres a saying "the road to hell is paved with good intentions". While extra exposure for the hobby would be a good thing i believe that the hobby being shown in this way does far more harm than good. Simply saying that the show is for "entertainment purposes" doesnt excuse the presenters and the network from any responsibility either. Someone who posts videos of a dog fighting ring for "entertainment" is still responsible for what they have put out into the world.
If ATM are doing everything right and are following proper practices to keep the fish happy and healthy in their systems but this just isnt being shown through the editing process, the responsible thing to do would be to change their contract or pull out from the show.
Right now it is being portrayed as "this is how the experts do it:
1. buy your tank
2. fill with whatever water you can find
3. choose 2-300 of the prettiest fish you can find and dump them in
4. invite your friends over to drool over your beautiful tank. work done forever".
Im not saying this is ATM's process, but that is how it is being presented to the novice aquarist who sees this show and wants a tank, and ATM are applying their name and their brand as the experts behind this idea. you only need to look at the comments posted on youtube videos to see the effect of people wanting large Super Heavy stocked tanks with no forethought. "i want a tank like this, how much will it cost, please respond".
I know we live in the real world and a 30 minute show about how a skimmer works wont get ratings, but even a short disclaimer at the begining of the episode to say something like "these tanks have been built and stocked by professionals who have taken special precautions beforehand to ensure the health and well being of the tanks inhabitants" will be a vast improvement.
From what i have seen, ATM are obviously master tank fabricators with highly skilled employees. I believe that their practices have been shown in a terrible light by editing and they deserve the benefit of the doubt on some points. Having said that though, while the show is entertaining i believe it will do far more harm than good to the hobby and there will be a great many failed or problem tanks in people's homes based off of this show.
Having said that though, the way the show is presented portrays terrible fishkeeping practices. Even if all of the precautions are taken behind the scenes, the viewing audience doesnt see this. theres a saying "the road to hell is paved with good intentions". While extra exposure for the hobby would be a good thing i believe that the hobby being shown in this way does far more harm than good. Simply saying that the show is for "entertainment purposes" doesnt excuse the presenters and the network from any responsibility either. Someone who posts videos of a dog fighting ring for "entertainment" is still responsible for what they have put out into the world.
If ATM are doing everything right and are following proper practices to keep the fish happy and healthy in their systems but this just isnt being shown through the editing process, the responsible thing to do would be to change their contract or pull out from the show.
Right now it is being portrayed as "this is how the experts do it:
1. buy your tank
2. fill with whatever water you can find
3. choose 2-300 of the prettiest fish you can find and dump them in
4. invite your friends over to drool over your beautiful tank. work done forever".
Im not saying this is ATM's process, but that is how it is being presented to the novice aquarist who sees this show and wants a tank, and ATM are applying their name and their brand as the experts behind this idea. you only need to look at the comments posted on youtube videos to see the effect of people wanting large Super Heavy stocked tanks with no forethought. "i want a tank like this, how much will it cost, please respond".
I know we live in the real world and a 30 minute show about how a skimmer works wont get ratings, but even a short disclaimer at the begining of the episode to say something like "these tanks have been built and stocked by professionals who have taken special precautions beforehand to ensure the health and well being of the tanks inhabitants" will be a vast improvement.
From what i have seen, ATM are obviously master tank fabricators with highly skilled employees. I believe that their practices have been shown in a terrible light by editing and they deserve the benefit of the doubt on some points. Having said that though, while the show is entertaining i believe it will do far more harm than good to the hobby and there will be a great many failed or problem tanks in people's homes based off of this show.
Those guys build amazing tanks. Its a reality show. If it were educational noboby would watch. They show finished product and leave out what goes into it. I dont think its responsible reefkeeping but thats TV. I have seen them get better with including bits and pieces. QT Tanks for example, acclimating fish. I personally like it and its cool to watch the tanks they make.
So; I was all set to "hate" this show. After watching through all of the episodes, I began to accept it, and then even started to enjoy it (for what it is). However, last night was all re-runs! This show does NOT hold up well to viewing a second time for me. I started focussing less on the "reality/people" aspect and spent more time picking out all the animal husbandry problems...not fun any longer.....
Bill
Bill
Aqua Goddeess
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Know and work with these guys personally on tanks all over the country. They are amazing at what they do. Animal planet funds a lot of the crazy designs for the show interest. There is so much editing on the show I can barely keep up with how many times one thing was filmed.
They are definitely experts though. I don't worry about them at all and hope the show drives different realms of their business. Wayde is funny and a good-hearted business man that will work very hard to make sure I get exactly what I need for my projects.
They are definitely experts though. I don't worry about them at all and hope the show drives different realms of their business. Wayde is funny and a good-hearted business man that will work very hard to make sure I get exactly what I need for my projects.
alton
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You have to take most of the comments on this post with a grain of salt. You could post the perfect aquarium and somebody would find fault, you could show the best fish store in the world and someone would say "It is too expensive". It is a wonder how some of these people get up in the morning and enjoy life. Aqua if it possible I think it would be neat to see how you build a large circular tank from start to finish because what ATM does is amazing in building tanks. If I hear one more comment on how the term redneck came about I am going to puke. No one on my Grandmother's farm called me redneck, it wasn't until high school where everyone was stereotyped and because we had short hair and loved country music we where called rednecks. Then Urban Cowboy came out and next thing everybody went out and bought boots.
Acrophiliac
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I am shocked at how many people think they can do things better then these guys but don't have million dollar companies relating to the hobby or there own TV shows. Wierd, you would think all you know it alls would have your own show.
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