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[a4twenty]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14652678#post14652678 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Letmegrow
Sorry, but it still looks like that maxima has PM

but it doesn't look like it has PM, it looks like a perfectly normal clam acclimating to a new system.

if this is what your friends clams looked like, they didn't have PM and the FWD wasn't necessary. i sure hope they can recover after the stress of shipping and a FWD.

good luck

 

[Andystl]

Tagging along to see who is right, please keep us updated. I hope a4twenty is, but if I was betting my $ would be on Letmegrow.

 

[Maximus Clammus]

LOL, let me find a quote from Barry Neigut.

That clam is just getting acclimated as twenty said.

 

[Maximus Clammus]

This is comeing from Barry Neguit owner of Clams Direct.

Here is the thread that it came from.

Haven't seen PM in almost a year now. Since the Department of Agriculture has stepped in and now requiring farmed clams to have a certificate of health prior to exporting. With that being said, am not sure what they are doing with wild collected suppliers.

 

[Mentat]

Beautifull clams, congratulations.

 

[rbnice1]

That pic the arrows really doesnt tell me what I am looking at...... Can someone explain please.

I also looked at that thread and it isnt helping. And Out of our group order the only clam that has died is the one that didnt get a FWD. All the other clams to my knowledge are still alive although many dont look well. I was at one of the guys houses and he got 10 clams and half of them look horrible after 7 days and no dip. My Clam was in his tank that whole time right next to his and looks fine. I am not sure what the issue is but hypo and some meds does seem to make them look a lot better.

 

[Letmegrow]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14654188#post14654188 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Maximus Clammus
This is comeing from Barry Neguit owner of Clams Direct.

Here is the thread that it came from.

I am sorry but Barry can't deny that we did not have PM from our group order.

A4twenty & Maximus Clammus how can you read our thread and be skeptical still ?

I guess it will take more time and images to know for sure.
If Cham doesn't mind posting more pictures of the clam now up to date and maybe at a different angle or macro.

As a precaution I would learn up on the procedures that my friends have taken.

 

[a4twenty]

i've looked at the arrival pics in the threads you linked and i've looked at the circles you put on chams pictures. if this is what you based your diagnosis on, you misdiagnosed your friends clams and subjected them to a very stressful FWD ( multiple in some cases ).

sorry if this isn't what you wanted to hear but this is what i see from the information provided.

i hope your friends clams can recover, good luck

 

[cham]

I'll post some updated photos once they have opened up better.

Bottom line..... I don't expect to deal with any livestock vendor that could never once has an issue, that's ridiculous. What I do want is to work with vendors that care about their animals and will work with me if something happens.

Barry has called me three times, spent time with me on the phone before I bought anything, emailed me an hour after he saw delivery was made all in an effort to make sure everything was ok and make sure I'm happy.

If that isn't first rate customer service then I don't know what is. I am very confident that even if there were an issue I would be well taken care of.

Great job Barry :thumbsup:

 

[Letmegrow]

A4twenty: you are telling me that these pictures are not PM ?

You totally dismiss this thread ?
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1596093&perpage=25&pagenumber=1
There is not one case of PM in that thread and it was all in our heads ?

 

[Maximus Clammus]

That isn't PM, that is a clam that has been harassed by something, that being a fish or invert, phosban media, sudden changes in water params, or even a human that is doing unnesisary FWD's.

A clam that has PM will usually stay open fully but the mantle will curl. Those clams are closing and then the mantle is curling, this being cause by the clam trying to close and make it's mantle fit inside of it's shell.

Do any of you run phosban reactors or anything similar?

What do you dose and how do you dose it?

How many people "customers" and how many clams total are we talking about here.

Problems like this should be addressed in thier own thread in this Tridacnid clams forum and not in the local reef club forums, clam guru's such as myself and twenty don't visit the local club forums. And the search function seems to be disabled so we can't search for them either.

 

[Barry N.]

I am sorry but Barry can't deny that we did not have PM from our group order.

I am not and have never said that your shipment didn't have some problems. I wasn't there when the shipment was delivered or bags opened so I don't really don't know what happened. All I do know is what I reported to Dave and some othes that also received shipments prior and after your shipment. The report is on the other link.

If I was guessing, I would say that the bags might have got too warm or shipment was handled very ruff. No doubt, very stressed which could and can compromise a clam's immune system thus trigger a problem.

Anyone that has dealt with us over the almost 10 years will admit that we would NEVER send out a clams that we felt that was not healthy to the eye. It's not like we can take their temp and blood pressure reading.

When we have seen a clam that did't look right the day of shipping, we would notify the customer and tell them that we were deleted that one off his/her order or replace it with a clam that was more expensive and not charge them the difference.

I would love to go into more detail imformation about the research that we have done ourselves and with the University of Maine, but just don't have the time now. Our research that was done last year, we now have the official report and we are going to complile all that information and get it online sometime within the next month or so. HOPEFULLY this will clear up some concerns in the future.

With all of the above said, clams are not unique to having problems after being shipped. What about the SPS that was so nice when you got it and then turned brown. Or the power blue tang you bought at your LFS and got it home and a few days later shown signs of ich.... Hope you see where I am going with this. I wonder what that LFS would do in the case of the power blue tang? Think we all can answer that question.


I have been in contact with that group by phone, emails and posting on there thread regarding there problems with that order and we hope that all the babies recover.

 

[Letmegrow]

Barry has been great with it all, I am not blaming him.

I don't know why people can not be cut and dry here, people like to skim over or avoid the facts.

Maximus Clammus: Read the thread, all that info is in there.
Out of 23 clams shipped out I think it was more than half that were "infected".

All I am trying to say is that the Clam that Cham has looks like it has the same ailment as the ones we recieved. Pinched mantel or not it has something wrong with it.

 

[Maximus Clammus]

And all I am saying is that the clams do not have pm.

Can you answer my questions?

 

[Letmegrow]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14659729#post14659729 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Maximus Clammus

Do any of you run phosban reactors or anything similar?

What do you dose and how do you dose it?

How many people "customers" and how many clams total are we talking about here.

Problems like this should be addressed in thier own thread in this Tridacnid clams forum and not in the local reef club forums, clam guru's such as myself and twenty don't visit the local club forums. And the search function seems to be disabled so we can't search for them either.

Some do, some don't.

Some have reactors, some do two part, some do home made two part.

I never got a full count but lets say 14 clams and multiple tanks.

I think our club handled it good, we only had one death and he did not dip his clam.

I don't consider either you or A4twenty experts based on your denial that anything is wrong from the pictures or failure to diagnose the afflicted.

Support the community and buy a premium membership to RC and you will get to use the search function any time you want.

 

[Maximus Clammus]

Did I deny there was a problem?

I must have missed that part.

I only said it wasn't pm.

Did you miss that part?

If you all would have posted the problem in the correct forum, and in a timely manner we probably could have helped you out in a better fashion, but you denied us that chance. We are not glued to the forum to the point that we physically search all the forums for clam problems every time we log on.

If you would have posted here you would have gotten questions like:

What fish and inverts does each tank have?

Exactly how was each clam acclimated? And how long since it left the order originators point of delivery till it was placed into an aquarium?

What water params do you all have?

What do you dose and how do you add it?

How old are each systems lights?

There are more but these are the main concerns.

 

[breutus]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14663698#post14663698 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Maximus Clammus
Did I deny there was a problem?

I must have missed that part.

I only said it wasn't pm.

Did you miss that part?

If you all would have posted the problem in the correct forum, and in a timely manner we probably could have helped you out in a better fashion, but you denied us that chance. We are not glued to the forum to the point that we physically search all the forums for clam problems every time we log on.

If you would have posted here you would have gotten questions like:

What fish and inverts does each tank have?

Exactly how was each clam acclimated? And how long since it left the order originators point of delivery till it was placed into an aquarium?

What water params do you all have?

What do you dose and how do you add it?

How old are each systems lights?

There are more but these are the main concerns.

If you would have read through the thread almost all of these issues were addressed. And even more astounding is that many of of these systems had clams in them prior to the new clams arrivals. I am not saying that the clams here or on the other thread have PM or not, but there was something wrong to have so many from different systems look and act the same... And many of them looked like what I have always seen PM to be.

I also think letmegrow was just trying to give some warning and caution to the purchaser of this new clam since it looked similar to what they had been dealing with.

And just out of curiosity what makes/designates you a clam expert??? I am really just curios, I am not trying to offend, I just see that you only joined last month with a very small post count...

 

[TWallace]

Your basing "expert status" on post count and date of registering a RC account? That sounds quite dangerous. There's a lot of people with too much time and too little knowledge that post a lot on RC.

 

[basser1]

Any updates on how the clams are doing? I've been looking at the other thread posted, and it doesn't look good for several folks in the clam group buy.

 

[breutus]

that is why I was asking! I am curious how I was supposed to know of his credits if he's hardly posted anything and he just showed up on the scene last month! I'm not saying he doesn't know what he's talking about but he is just talking alot and showing me no reason to beleive what he is saying...


Like I said this was not meant to offend I am just curious what his credentials are as an expert and if I should be taking his advice