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In my opinion maxima clams dont open as fully as croceas.That seems to be something as of late.I dont think its PM.Also if you are FWD upon arrival of a new shipment of clams from Barry your nuts. Shipping is bad enough.I have been keeping clams for a few years now and would consider myself very well versed in this area.I sat behind the scene and read and read for years before ever posting.So I think its safe to say registration date and post count mean nothing.
Sorry to be so blunt.
Sorry to be so blunt.
I received 11 clams on my first shipment and 2 clams on my second shipment. Mantle expansion was not good on a few right from the getgo, but I attributed it to shipping stress. I have 3 crocea, 1 teardrop maxima from Vietnam, 1 15-16" squamosa and a small derasa clam in my system now and they have been in mine or a friend's tank for 10+ years.
After the new shipment came in, I added two more clams to my system and a couple days after they were in, all but my original clams were showing severe mantle recession and white shell showing. I was reluctant to dip my clams in FW or try hypo or antibiotics as I am somewhat old school and prefer proven methodologies. After hearing of supposed success from some fellow reefers with the FWD, I decided to dip about 4 or 5 of the clams and they looked slightly better for a day or so and then went back into their recessed mantle state.
The clams that were attached to liverock and the tank bottom I did not dip as I thought it would be more stressful to remove them and possibly damage the byssal gland. After another week, most all of my clams became unattached from the liverock and either fell to the sand, or started dying. I now have two dead clams and about 5 or 6 more a day or two away.
My clams that have been in captivity for a long time are still alive, but the Vietnamese teardrop now has some lessened mantle expansion and is showing a little shell. The huge Squamosa clam was expelling zooxlanthellae the other day, but is not showing recession of the mantle as of yet.
Time will tell, but I am braced to lose all of my clams from ClamsDirect.com and all six of my original clams
Somehow, someway, a pathogen was brought in on Barry's Maxima clams and most of the 29 + 11 =40 clams we all bought are dead or dying and many more of us are losing mature clams that have been around in captivity for many years. If nothing else, I have learned that I will ALWAYS QT in the future and I will be very careful to buy clams in person from the LFS to make sure they are not showing signs of disease.
After the new shipment came in, I added two more clams to my system and a couple days after they were in, all but my original clams were showing severe mantle recession and white shell showing. I was reluctant to dip my clams in FW or try hypo or antibiotics as I am somewhat old school and prefer proven methodologies. After hearing of supposed success from some fellow reefers with the FWD, I decided to dip about 4 or 5 of the clams and they looked slightly better for a day or so and then went back into their recessed mantle state.
The clams that were attached to liverock and the tank bottom I did not dip as I thought it would be more stressful to remove them and possibly damage the byssal gland. After another week, most all of my clams became unattached from the liverock and either fell to the sand, or started dying. I now have two dead clams and about 5 or 6 more a day or two away.
My clams that have been in captivity for a long time are still alive, but the Vietnamese teardrop now has some lessened mantle expansion and is showing a little shell. The huge Squamosa clam was expelling zooxlanthellae the other day, but is not showing recession of the mantle as of yet.
Time will tell, but I am braced to lose all of my clams from ClamsDirect.com and all six of my original clams
Somehow, someway, a pathogen was brought in on Barry's Maxima clams and most of the 29 + 11 =40 clams we all bought are dead or dying and many more of us are losing mature clams that have been around in captivity for many years. If nothing else, I have learned that I will ALWAYS QT in the future and I will be very careful to buy clams in person from the LFS to make sure they are not showing signs of disease.Dave,
I just posted on your other thread but I will copy and paste it as well on here. Sorry for the LONG post but since some want to continue this, I felt it was time that I posted myself.
The group order was delivered in March 5th @ 9:35 AM. The next few days this is what was posted in your club forum from your group buyers.
Everyone in your group order also received a copy of our Recommended Acclimation sheet. Last sentence of that sheet.
That group order was delivered on March 5 @ 9:35 AM. We first heard about a problem on March 12th.
Dave, the order for yourself was delievered on Feb 20th (10 clams) and you called me many days later and was happy and wanted to do a group order. The 1st person to place an order was on Feb 27th. So between the 20th and the 27th, your order must have been fine or I am sure you would not have promoted a group buy.
Like I told you on your club forum, sorry that this happened and offered something for your troubles.
Am WAY to busy to continue on with this thread any longer. I think I have posted my thought many times on your club forum and also have send private messages to several of your members offering suggestions as well as email. Not much more I can say or do.
I requested this be moved to the Vendors forum when it started since it was in regards to a Vendor but my wish was not granted.
Oh I forgot something.
Even then, they might be stressed after you take them home and THEN you might see signs of PM.
I just posted on your other thread but I will copy and paste it as well on here. Sorry for the LONG post but since some want to continue this, I felt it was time that I posted myself.
The group order was delivered in March 5th @ 9:35 AM. The next few days this is what was posted in your club forum from your group buyers.
Everyone in your group order also received a copy of our Recommended Acclimation sheet. Last sentence of that sheet.
That group order was delivered on March 5 @ 9:35 AM. We first heard about a problem on March 12th.
Dave, the order for yourself was delievered on Feb 20th (10 clams) and you called me many days later and was happy and wanted to do a group order. The 1st person to place an order was on Feb 27th. So between the 20th and the 27th, your order must have been fine or I am sure you would not have promoted a group buy.
Like I told you on your club forum, sorry that this happened and offered something for your troubles.
Am WAY to busy to continue on with this thread any longer. I think I have posted my thought many times on your club forum and also have send private messages to several of your members offering suggestions as well as email. Not much more I can say or do.
I requested this be moved to the Vendors forum when it started since it was in regards to a Vendor but my wish was not granted.
Oh I forgot something.
Even then, they might be stressed after you take them home and THEN you might see signs of PM.
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Letmegrow
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It was cute that you posted all the good reviews.
I think everyone now has a different opinion now.
So the 14 people who received diseased clams should individually write a review in the vendor forum ?
Or were you just wanting this one thread ?
I hope everyone can see through the wool.
I think everyone now has a different opinion now.
So the 14 people who received diseased clams should individually write a review in the vendor forum ?
Or were you just wanting this one thread ?
I hope everyone can see through the wool.
jwalters103
Active member
woohoo!!!! :celeb1: :celeb3: :celeb2:
then i must be a self proclaimed clam guru too!!!!!
who knew!?!?!?!?!:rolleye1:
frenchie
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it would be one thing if one or two died but all in several different systems and plus other clams that were already in existing tanks now dying also. i feel bad for you guys you think they would do something for you and others but i guess i know were i will not be buying from in future.
maxxII
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14652935#post14652935 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Maximus Clammus
Sorry but you are wrong, that isn't pm.
This is what pm looks like
And that touches on what pm looks like.here is a thread
LOL upgrade to a higher def monitor... cmon man lighten up.
This is one shot of what advanced PM looks like. How do I know.....I've dealt with PM before, and I saw this particular clam and another one not shown in this pic, before they both died. They were in my friend's tank.
Here's the original thread.....Pinched Mantle.
RBnice, The arrows indicate where the mantle of the clam is folding up/over and pinched up.
A4twenty,
I realize that often newbie exuberance can cause quite a few misdiagnosed responses which subsequently lead to the death of marine animals in this hobby. As I said previously, I've dealt with PM before, (two croceas had it, one survived, the other did not). In our situation, it is absolutely not a case of misdiagnosis...this is PM we are dealing with.
MC, you're wrong, its PM. I housed one of the clams from our group order in my 120 display. The tank has a 12 inch Derasa that I've had for 3 years, and a 5 inch Crocea that I've had for 4 years. The crocea is one of the survivors of my previous bout with PM. I have SPS and a healthy H.magnifica anemone that I've kept for 3 years now. Fish in the tank are 4.5 inch Regal angel, 4 inch Tomini Tang, 2 inch Purple tang, 1 inch Convict tang, mated pair of Onyx Percs, (female is 3 inches male is 2 inches). Neither of my other two clams showed any signs of distress. The clam from the group buy was added to my system. After I observed it showing PM, I moved it to a Qt tank where it later died. Now my Derasa is showing PM.
No sudden changes in water parameters, been running Phosban for 12 months now with no problems previous to this. In the first instance of PM I dealt with 4 years ago, I wasnt running Phosban at all, so thats not a factor.
I'm not dosing anything in my display tank. Parameters are maintained by Geo CA Reactor, Mag supplementation by Bulk Reef Supply, and water changes. Salinity is kept at 1.027, Alk at 9.2, Ca at 420, Nitrates at 0, Ph at 8.2 temp at 80F.
Total purchase was somewhere in the vicinity of 27-30 clams with the majority of the clams going one per person.
Nobody did RO dips upon arrival. The RO dips were done after the 12th and after speaking to Barry about them. I acclimated the clam in my care directly according to the sheet Barry included with each clam.
What do you feel could have been done differently?
Barry...you know me, we've spoken many times over the phone, and you know I'm not one to go off half cocked, or make accusations that are unwarranted and unable to be supported. You also know that I'm not one to stir the pot and instigate...having said all of that:
How long can it take for PM signs to show? Is a two week QT long enough to determine that the clams dont have PM? I bought both of my Croceas on Feb 7th 2005, they arrived on Feb 10th 2005. On 3-1-2005, both Croceas began showing signs of PM. That's almost 3 weeks after the clams arrived before the PM started showing.
I'm not slamming you Barry, I've always felt you had great customer service, and I remember very well how we contributed money towards the research of this disease and how you paid a significant amount of money out of your own pocket for research as well.
Nick
Letmegrow
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Mentat - The derailment started because I warned Cham about his clam that showed signs of disease that he got at Clams direct the same time the group did.
If they nay sayers hadn't nayed, it might have stayed on topic.
Don't blame the victims of a bad batch of clams for defending themselves from wannabe experts.
Unless you are just trolling for post padding, then you should leave this thread alone.
If they nay sayers hadn't nayed, it might have stayed on topic.
Don't blame the victims of a bad batch of clams for defending themselves from wannabe experts.
Unless you are just trolling for post padding, then you should leave this thread alone.
Mentat
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An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response.
My post was a respectful request and did not attack anyone or was seeking an "emotional response." You do not know me and have no base to conditionally call me a troll. Wish Cham's clams health and will not post in this thread anymore.
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