michael_cb_125
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John- I have been waiting and waiting for these fish......
~Michael
~Michael
Terrible news for many many species, one of Which is the Clipperton Angel
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michael_cb_125
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Yes, indeed.~Michael
jhawkor
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I wish...Until I have my 180 gallon my Regal and Coral Beauty will have to get me by.
ccampbell57
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~$5500-$6000 is a good estimate
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copps
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This is pure educated speculation on my part, and obviously it depends on many factors that no one could know in advance... but I'd guess around three times the price of a clarion angel...
kvosstra
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Thanks Chris - I think the combination of the orange clarion and green clip would be a nice combo in a large tank...Have to get some wife approval unfortunately for that!
John, seems to be the same estimate that Chris gave. We can talk shop later this summer, looks like the move to Philly is a go in Late June. Now, I need to find a tank for the new house!
AquaKnight
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How is a ship that's dead-stick and gets pushed ashore, the Captian's fault?
Sardaukar
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Its sort of like how a good QB in football always accepts the blame for his teams defeat, no matter the cause. Unless one of the engineers flipped everyone the bird and jammed a wrench in some gears, the captain's probably going to accept at least some of the blame.
Luiz Rocha
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Hi all, I saw those news a couple of days ago and a few colleagues and I are trying to go there to assess the damage. There will be a trip next April but I am not sure if I will be on it (teaching this semester 
). Will keep you posted.
). Will keep you posted.cortez marine
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clipperton news lag
clipperton news lag
Guys,
Its been 13-14 days since it happened and theres still no updated, official press on it?
All the posts have fed off each other and repeated the old news.
By now, something new must have happened . Like everyone, I'm waiting to hear "did it leak, did it not? Was it just a bit was it not?
Did the re-load the stuff? Did they tow it away? What?
Besides the aquarium trade, the grounding has been of interest to other trades. Sportfishing, ham radio people, shipping news forums, etc.
Check out the photo from teakdoor.com....Teak door, really.
Its a beautiful photo and shows they hit on a calm spell. The danger is that it is very often not calm there at all! Big waves and a storm could pull, puncture and tear at the hull where all the animal fat is stored. It carried a lot of animal fat . If the xelene comparment holds but not the other, we could have perhaps a great big animal fat spill.
Speculation is the sport here and in the absence of new news, it can go really off kilter. It could be a temporary nothing story....
Then again it could be worse.... who knows?
Sincerely, Steve
clipperton news lag
Guys,
Its been 13-14 days since it happened and theres still no updated, official press on it?
All the posts have fed off each other and repeated the old news.
By now, something new must have happened . Like everyone, I'm waiting to hear "did it leak, did it not? Was it just a bit was it not?
Did the re-load the stuff? Did they tow it away? What?
Besides the aquarium trade, the grounding has been of interest to other trades. Sportfishing, ham radio people, shipping news forums, etc.
Check out the photo from teakdoor.com....Teak door, really.
Its a beautiful photo and shows they hit on a calm spell. The danger is that it is very often not calm there at all! Big waves and a storm could pull, puncture and tear at the hull where all the animal fat is stored. It carried a lot of animal fat . If the xelene comparment holds but not the other, we could have perhaps a great big animal fat spill.
Speculation is the sport here and in the absence of new news, it can go really off kilter. It could be a temporary nothing story....
Then again it could be worse.... who knows?
Sincerely, Steve
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stunreefer
Reef Hugger
Wow, crazy piture Steve!
Let's hope there's no xylene or fat spilled...
Let's hope there's no xylene or fat spilled...
cortez marine
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Thanks,
Its stuck at the time of the photo.
Having a fair amount of direct knowledge of the place...I can tell you its stuck on the north end where the biggest storm waves come from.
Its in the thickest part of reef in fact.
It will not stay calm for long....somethings gotta give. I have an associate talking to the authorities tomorrow and hope for an update.
Steve
Its stuck at the time of the photo.
Having a fair amount of direct knowledge of the place...I can tell you its stuck on the north end where the biggest storm waves come from.
Its in the thickest part of reef in fact.
It will not stay calm for long....somethings gotta give. I have an associate talking to the authorities tomorrow and hope for an update.
Steve
clippo
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are you sure about that? from the image and my map it looks like it's on the East side of the Atoll.
One other thing... you people STILL talking about collecting fish from this location really need to stop and think for a minute. Even before this happened this location had been over exploited by people. It just needs to be LEFT ALONE... even more so now (other than legit study of course).
This is from Wikipedia about xylene.
Xylene exhibits neurological effects. High levels from exposure for acute (14 days or less) or chronic periods (more than 1 year) can cause headaches, lack of muscle coordination, dizziness, confusion, and balance[citation needed] . Exposure of people to high levels of xylene for short periods can also cause irritation of the skin, eyes, nose, and throat, difficulty in breathing and other problems with the lungs, delayed reaction time, memory difficulties, stomach discomfort, and possibly adverse effects on the liver and kidneys. It can cause unconsciousness and even death at very high levels (see inhalants). Xylene or products containing Xylene should not be used indoors or around food. Xylene is not a controlled substance.
Studies of unborn animals indicate that high concentrations of xylene may cause increased numbers of deaths, and delayed growth and development.[citation needed] In many instances, these same concentrations also cause damage to the mothers. It is not yet known whether xylene harms the unborn fetus if the mother is exposed to low levels of xylene during pregnancy.
Besides occupational exposure, the principal pathway of human contact is via soil contamination from leaking underground storage tanks containing petroleum products. Humans who come into contact with the soil or groundwater may become affected. Use of contaminated groundwater as a water supply could lead to adverse health effects.
jhawkor
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I'm sure they're all for whatever is best for the Atoll. If that means leaving it alone for a few years then so be it. Do we know how bad this really was yet though?
cortez marine
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Clipperton is awash in heavy currents, waves and deep blue ocean all around.
If ever there were a place that would get a dilution and cleansing by the elements it is this one. That is if something bad happens which as of today, we do not know.
Since the guano miners a hundred years ago it has been fished.
The tuna fishing industry hit up Clipperton for half a century ago skimming it thruout the non hurricane season year after year.
The long range tuna and wahoo sport fishers discovered the place in the 80's and after 20 plus years of trophy hunting are now kept out.
In recent decades, it was fished intensively by serious shark long liners who ringed the island with hundreds of long lines bearing thousands of baited hooks. They are now kept out.
The decimation of the once famous sharks gave rise to an outta proportion population of reef fishes which will soon go back down as the sharks return as the French navys total control of the place continues.
No one approaches the island without their knowledge now.
No one can do much of anything including visit the island without their knowledge and consent which comes via permission of the high commission.
So, perhaps one may relax and leave it to their good graces to decide how best to administer and manage the place.
I know of no other national park or protected territory patroled by a full fledged warship bristling with electronic hardware and weaponry and boatloads of marines w/ automatic weapons.
The greatest threats to Clipperton are tankers ships laden with poisons, chemicals and oil by factors of huge numbers to one.
Steve
If ever there were a place that would get a dilution and cleansing by the elements it is this one. That is if something bad happens which as of today, we do not know.
Since the guano miners a hundred years ago it has been fished.
The tuna fishing industry hit up Clipperton for half a century ago skimming it thruout the non hurricane season year after year.
The long range tuna and wahoo sport fishers discovered the place in the 80's and after 20 plus years of trophy hunting are now kept out.
In recent decades, it was fished intensively by serious shark long liners who ringed the island with hundreds of long lines bearing thousands of baited hooks. They are now kept out.
The decimation of the once famous sharks gave rise to an outta proportion population of reef fishes which will soon go back down as the sharks return as the French navys total control of the place continues.
No one approaches the island without their knowledge now.
No one can do much of anything including visit the island without their knowledge and consent which comes via permission of the high commission.
So, perhaps one may relax and leave it to their good graces to decide how best to administer and manage the place.
I know of no other national park or protected territory patroled by a full fledged warship bristling with electronic hardware and weaponry and boatloads of marines w/ automatic weapons.
The greatest threats to Clipperton are tankers ships laden with poisons, chemicals and oil by factors of huge numbers to one.
Steve
clippo
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the points you make highlight the situation perfectly Steve. You and your big money clients are just another in a long line of threats to this place. As for the 'French navys total control' I have to try not to laugh out-loud. Infact your points exemplify their lack of management of this place. By the way this is the same goverment that considered using the place for nuclear testing! But hey if they are patrolling the waters it must mean that you can take what you like?
Being ultimately responsible for the loss of dozens of these fish only recently I'd have thought you'd have got the message by now. Infact, that loss isn't the first I've heard of and I am still trying to establish who was involved in an earlier incident which was reported by the DXers around 2000. From what I can see your motivation in this is purely profit driven.
I know I am liable to get intense flaming from certain individuals for my views here but frankly I'll handle that if it goes even a tiny step towards making people think twice about keeping these fish (and others from similar situations). Although I have limited knowldge of import etc, I can see that this location is unlike the majority of other areas that marine specimens are imported from. There is no benefit to local economies here... no chance of building something sustainable... just take, take, take.
Take the Resplendent Angel as an example.... this fish is similar to the Clipperton Angel and is currently listed as 'vulnerable' on the IUCN Red List (having been 'endangered' at one point). Yet the Clipperton Angel is not even evaluated. I won't rely on this getting through to people though.
By the way, anyone interested in trying to do something about getting this place protection please feel free to PM me. :fish2:
Being ultimately responsible for the loss of dozens of these fish only recently I'd have thought you'd have got the message by now. Infact, that loss isn't the first I've heard of and I am still trying to establish who was involved in an earlier incident which was reported by the DXers around 2000. From what I can see your motivation in this is purely profit driven.
I know I am liable to get intense flaming from certain individuals for my views here but frankly I'll handle that if it goes even a tiny step towards making people think twice about keeping these fish (and others from similar situations). Although I have limited knowldge of import etc, I can see that this location is unlike the majority of other areas that marine specimens are imported from. There is no benefit to local economies here... no chance of building something sustainable... just take, take, take.
Take the Resplendent Angel as an example.... this fish is similar to the Clipperton Angel and is currently listed as 'vulnerable' on the IUCN Red List (having been 'endangered' at one point). Yet the Clipperton Angel is not even evaluated. I won't rely on this getting through to people though.
By the way, anyone interested in trying to do something about getting this place protection please feel free to PM me. :fish2:
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