The BB movement

[redwinger02]

The key is tiny adjustments just like a beckett.

 

[Wiskey]

Ya but mine had no adjustments only these 2 watervalves that had to be removed if you don't want to skim 7 gallons per hour.

Whiskey

 

[redwinger02]

For fine adjustments you need a gate valve. And you turn it just a hair everytime. You could never adjust to the preciseness that you need with a ball valve.

 

[panic]

Thanks for the good debate - I feel good about buying the recirc - I'll feel better when it's on my system since it was supposed to be finished today. Worth the wait I guess.

Can you run ozone through a recirc? I know you can on a beckett. I think I'll give ozone a whirl next.

 

[Wiskey]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7086880#post7086880 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by redwinger02
For fine adjustments you need a gate valve. And you turn it just a hair everytime. You could never adjust to the preciseness that you need with a ball valve.

I really don't think you understand. this is my old skimmer

The output is at the top, gate valves won't help a bit.

Whiskey

 

[Wiskey]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7087446#post7087446 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by panic
Thanks for the good debate - I feel good about buying the recirc - I'll feel better when it's on my system since it was supposed to be finished today. Worth the wait I guess.

Can you run ozone through a recirc? I know you can on a beckett. I think I'll give ozone a whirl next.

I would much rather have a good UV than any ozone unit.

In fact I would never use Ozone in my living space,.... Too many reports of it being a potental health hazard,....

Whiskey

 

[Wiskey]

BTW, the sign was given to me by the complex, I did not steal it.

Whiskey

 

[NoSchwag]

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[NoSchwag]

Thanks for posting the video, looks good. I'm sure it has people adjusting their skimmers right now. That is the first time I have ever seen a needlewheels neck that clean. :thumbsup:

Like Wiskey, I couldn't get mine to stay like that. It overflowed 1 too many times for me. Does yours ever overflow, or does it stay consistant like that?

 

[redwinger02]

After a while it will build up. However the owner of reefmania is working on a wet neck design for the 8" skimmers that should cut gunk build up dramatically. Never have a problem with it overflowing. However when I feed it will go nuts for a little while skimming the stuff that was put in. Wiskey I can see why you never were able to run that turbofloater wet, there is no way to finelly adjust it. Also you should try Ozone it has helped my tank dramatically along with the UV.

 

[NoSchwag]

However when I feed it will go nuts for a little while skimming the stuff that was put in

See our beckets stop skimming when we feed. Does anyone have any clue why one would go crazy, and one would stop skimming??

 

[elephen]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7088866#post7088866 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by NoSchwag
See our beckets stop skimming when we feed. Does anyone have any clue why one would go crazy, and one would stop skimming??

Feeding doesn't effect my beckett at all. It stays constant, no overflowing or suppression.

I think it depends on what your feeding. Mysis or a food with a fair amount of oil in it will do that. I only feed frozen brine cubes, 1/2 a cube per day.

 

[RCS]

Not with your attitude. Lots of us have done the same. I have 8 years with reefs. I guess that makes me 8/9 the reefer that you are. I've done my time breeding and propagating and even managed a store for a year. It doesn't take a genius to do any of it and I don't wear it like a badge of respect.

Hmmm, I'm curious how you came to this conclusion? I don't recall making any statements towards this end...but let me go back and read it....hmmm, nope.

I have said such terrible things as:

As I said, both ways can be done successfully, but you'd have a heck of a time convincing me to switch.

And there was this:

Again, it works fine for me, always has. In the long run I'd probably get better growth from my corals with more frequent water changes, and if I ever have the time, I'd likely increase them at least a little bit. But with the multiple species breeding and pretty decent coral growth (for example, a quarter-sized Monti frag I got in December is now nearly 5" in diameter...not staggering growth, but decent), I simply can't be bothered.

Oh, and let's not forget such self-serving statements as:

Both approaches to reefkeeping can be successful if you do them right, and I think that's the important thing to take away.

Oh, I almost forgot the part where I (yet again) said that my way wasn't the onyl way:

Agreed Mark...just playing Devil's Advocate for a bit. Besides that, I've seen some great tanks with a false sand bottom as well. Acts like BB but looks like sand.

Hmmmm...nope, no personal attacks or judgements that I can find there, until I was attacked myself (but isn't that the way things go on here?). So color me confused, I thought it was a good conversation up until the point where you assumed I had no idea what I was doing and my tank was a ticking time bomb.

What it seems like to me is you conveniently avoided my question:

Enlighten me. You're saying you don't do water changes, test or add anything, or siphon detritus from your BB tank?

I would like to know, that's why I asked. If you do all these things, or don't, then what's teh harm in stating it? Nowhere have I said or implied my way is the only or best way to do things (please feel free to point it out if I have), nor have a I belittled anyone else for running barebottom (again, if I have, please feel free to correct it). So, where's the "attitude" come into play? I think you may be mistaking experience and confidence for something else. Seeing as how this isn't exactly the greatest medium to express emotion and the thoughte behind statements, that's understandable, but I would appreciate it if we could keep the discussion on-point. Can we not talk about the differences (whether real or in our experiences) between BB and SB without degenerating into the usual muck? I'd like to think so, but that's your call.

 

[Wiskey]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7088954#post7088954 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by elephen
Feeding doesn't effect my beckett at all. It stays constant, no overflowing or suppression.

I think it depends on what your feeding. Mysis or a food with a fair amount of oil in it will do that. I only feed frozen brine cubes, 1/2 a cube per day.

I think elephen hit it on the head, depending on what I feed my skimmer reacts diffrently. Intrestingly flake does not seem to effect it at all, or at least the flake I feed.

Whiskey

 

[Wiskey]

BTW, I am still waiting to hear about the Pop-Up book.

Whiskey

 

[redwinger02]

Pop up book was a last resort. Couldn't figure it out with a picture, so then came the video and since you all understand it now there is no need for it.

 

[Wiskey]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7089769#post7089769 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by redwinger02
Pop up book was a last resort. Couldn't figure it out with a picture, so then came the video and since you all understand it now there is no need for it.

BLAST, now what am I supposed to read before I go to bed?

Whiskey

 

[kimoyo]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7085734#post7085734 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by redwinger02
Kimoyoa just close you gate valve up a bit and let the water that is overflowing into the collection cup drain into a five gallon pail. There you just did a 5 gallon water change through your skimmer. I have done this also with my recirc in the past.

Redwinger02 - thanks for the pictures and videos!

My ap600 doesn't have a gate valve on the outlet. Deltec says backpressure on the outlet isn't good for skimmer performance so you shouldn't even have it submerged.

But I thought you skimmed wet by increasing the amount of air going into the skimmer, so there would be more bubbles. Wouldn't raising the water level in the skimmer be less skimming?

 

[RichConley]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7087503#post7087503 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Wiskey
I really don't think you understand. this is my old skimmer

The output is at the top, gate valves won't help a bit.

Whiskey

You can adjust the TF pretty finely with those valves, the problem is that the curved neck exaggerates fine adjustments. It basically wicks bubbles up, so its tough to run it truely wet.

 

[Wiskey]

Right, but due to the output being at the top, if you really crank up the bubbles it will only overflow, and you can't lower the water level to compensate.

Whiskey