biggles
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The only road trip my ex will be making will be in datsun 180B after the convertible gets repossessed early next year Marty
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The only road trip my ex will be making will be in datsun 180B after the convertible gets repossessed early next year Marty
Scotty freddy
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Thank you very much and glad I could be of some help
The only road trip my ex will be making will be in datsun 180B after the convertible gets repossessed early next year Marty
Oh no watch out the biggles and Marty show is coming to a town near you :lolspin:
Scotty freddy
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Ok well while the tank was being built I had the base rock cycling in a tub with 3 pieces of live rock, heater, 2 Tunze and a TLF reactor full of GFO. For the first week I dosed 6ml a day of Fauna Marin Bakto Blend. After the first week it was dosed once a week there after which ended up dragging out to 7 weeks in total by the time the tank was done. This had obviously done the job with seeding the base rock and that was the main reason I was able to get things happening a lot quicker than expected.
Once in the tank I dosed a mixture of 3ml of Bakto Blend mixed with 3ml of Bakto Therapie daily for 1 week. I then cut that back to once a week for another 2 weeks with the addition of .05ml of Fauna Marin MinS once a week. I also have a cryptic zone in my sump full of fresh live rock which was filled after the first week of the DT being filled. All that rock I hand selected and was housed in a separate tank at my LFS for over 3 weeks. This was also an added bonus and one of the other reasons why the tank was up and running so quickly
scriptdaddy
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I'm currently running Zeovit and wondered what differences there are with the FM Zeo?
Does items like flow through the reactor and cleaning the reactor twice daily come into play?
FM are quality products and it's just a shame they're not as freely available over here are they were in the UK.
Does items like flow through the reactor and cleaning the reactor twice daily come into play?
FM are quality products and it's just a shame they're not as freely available over here are they were in the UK.
Scotty freddy
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I've also run zeovit in a previous tank and I find that it is a lot easier to figure out issues due to less products and also the dosing regime is a lot more relaxed. I'm not the smartest bloke going around and I'll happily admit that too, so for me the FM system is a lot easier to work out.
I still use the zeovit stones as they are easier to get in Australia but I do find that you can solve some issues just by reducing flow through the reactor.
In Aus the FM products aren't easy to get hold of, you can get a few here but not the Bakto and food supplements. It makes life a little harder but I when mates do orders for equipment from the same place I get my products from I get them to slip a few of the products in for me
Scotty freddy
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Biggles the Zeolight system is the FM like Tiziano said
I still use KZ stones and carbon though as they are easier to get here mate.Yes that's right
No3 and Po4 numbers a both zeroing at the moment much to my disgust, trying at the moment to get those numbers up with FM Ultra Organic and lots of fish food.
Thank you
I picked the lobo up from my LFS and the trachy from RSA in QLD. Unfortunately all the LPS has been moved into the other tank at the moment, because the nutrient is so low they have really been struggling
scriptdaddy
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Ok, so having done some research the FM method relies on Coral growth and colouring to take up the nutrients as opposed to the Zeovit which utilises a Carbon dosing method.
Quite a novel idea and interested how it works for you in the long term.
Quite a novel idea and interested how it works for you in the long term.
Wrangy
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Okay so as I write this for the second time (the internet died as I hit reply and it disappeared forever 
lol). I have been a long time admirer of your tanks and methods of reefing Scotty and everyone definitely should be taking a leaf or two from your book mate As I am a bit of a fan of the zeo method and other zeolite based methods due to that lovely pastel colouration that can be achieved, I have always found this build and your work fascinating! Because of this I have a few questions about the way you handled your rock for this tank mate as I am upgrading in the near future and looking to do a similar thing to get the best out of the rock.
I know I haven't really said boo on any of your threads but I would truly appreciate and info and help you can offer because imitation is the sincerest form of flattery lol
I'm looking to cook/cycle my rocks in the same matter for the new tank, antiphos and KZ Bak for a month or two, with a piece or two of LR in the mix, so that all being said here's my onslaught of questions haha
Did you run the same batch of rowa the whole time or did you change it out throughout the time as it was used?
Why didn't you run a skimmer on the cycling rock? Because it was largely base rock with no necessary organic output that required skimming?
What do you think the capabilities of the rock are once it's been through such a cycle process? I want to make the transfer of live stock as quick and painless as possible so that one tank can be torn down and the other put up in as little time as possible.
Why did you have your LFS hold your rock? Leave it cycle for a bit or just happened that way?
I would really appreciate some help and info on this Scotty as I want to get things even more right for the new tank and have it kicking along with a fairly short lay over time.
Dom
P.S Don't tell Biggles I was asking you for help, I fear Kevin's reaction will be... unsavoury haha
lol). I have been a long time admirer of your tanks and methods of reefing Scotty and everyone definitely should be taking a leaf or two from your book mate As I am a bit of a fan of the zeo method and other zeolite based methods due to that lovely pastel colouration that can be achieved, I have always found this build and your work fascinating! Because of this I have a few questions about the way you handled your rock for this tank mate as I am upgrading in the near future and looking to do a similar thing to get the best out of the rock.I know I haven't really said boo on any of your threads but I would truly appreciate and info and help you can offer because imitation is the sincerest form of flattery
lolI'm looking to cook/cycle my rocks in the same matter for the new tank, antiphos and KZ Bak for a month or two, with a piece or two of LR in the mix, so that all being said here's my onslaught of questions haha
Did you run the same batch of rowa the whole time or did you change it out throughout the time as it was used?
Why didn't you run a skimmer on the cycling rock? Because it was largely base rock with no necessary organic output that required skimming?
What do you think the capabilities of the rock are once it's been through such a cycle process? I want to make the transfer of live stock as quick and painless as possible so that one tank can be torn down and the other put up in as little time as possible.
Why did you have your LFS hold your rock? Leave it cycle for a bit or just happened that way?
I would really appreciate some help and info on this Scotty as I want to get things even more right for the new tank and have it kicking along with a fairly short lay over time.
Dom
P.S Don't tell Biggles I was asking you for help, I fear Kevin's reaction will be... unsavoury haha
Scotty freddy
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Thank you
Yes mate your right, they both do the same thing
Yes it is different to zeovit, it's based around having healthier corals than zeo
Scotty freddy
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Okay so as I write this for the second time (the internet died as I hit reply and it disappeared forever
I know I haven't really said boo on any of your threads but I would truly appreciate and info and help you can offer because imitation is the sincerest form of flattery
I'm looking to cook/cycle my rocks in the same matter for the new tank, antiphos and KZ Bak for a month or two, with a piece or two of LR in the mix, so that all being said here's my onslaught of questions haha
Did you run the same batch of rowa the whole time or did you change it out throughout the time as it was used?
Why didn't you run a skimmer on the cycling rock? Because it was largely base rock with no necessary organic output that required skimming?
What do you think the capabilities of the rock are once it's been through such a cycle process? I want to make the transfer of live stock as quick and painless as possible so that one tank can be torn down and the other put up in as little time as possible.
Why did you have your LFS hold your rock? Leave it cycle for a bit or just happened that way?
I would really appreciate some help and info on this Scotty as I want to get things even more right for the new tank and have it kicking along with a fairly short lay over time.
Dom
P.S Don't tell Biggles I was asking you for help, I fear Kevin's reaction will be... unsavoury haha
Hi Dom and thanks,
The rowa I exchanged twice while cooking just to make sure I could remove as much po4 as possible.
Your spot on about the skimmer, it was mainly base rock so I felt no need for running a skimmer to pull out organics.
Now as for capabilities i can't say 100% due to my cryptic zone being filled not long after the base went in, I think that also played a major factor in it being filled quickly so it's hard to make a call on that part.
The live rock I picked through when fresh shipments came as I was looking for sponges etc to seed my cryptic zone and seeming as I had no where to store it they were happy to keep it there, worked out well as It was able to cycle at their shop while I waited, take it home and place it straight into the cryptic zone without having a cycle at all.
I won't tell biggles, I've heard nasty stories about that Kevin :lol:
Wrangy
Acrotrooper
Thanks so much for the reply mate
Did you use the recommended amount or be a little generous with it for a little extra oomph? That's why I thought you may have run no skimmer, what are your thoughts on the Marco Rock as it's one of the options I've been looking at for the base rock for the tank.
I really love the idea of a cryptic zone, do you the section darkened or just running the rock down there like normal in a sump without a light? Decent lfs by the sounds of it, it always makes a difference having a good lfs as your go to!
I did a little reading last night to further my knowledge on the FM method you're applying and are you running a slight hybrid of zeolight? A few products missing with the addition of some serious bacteria supplements? lol I really do like what you're doing with it by creating your own system, similar to zeo without carbon dosing really? And a lot of food/amino input?
I definitely can't wait to watch your tank continue to progress mate as I find this build fascinating! And I can do so with comfort knowing that you won't tell Kevin! Last time I was there it was a little weird, he just sat there staring at me :uhoh2:
chercm
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Thanks so much for the reply mate
Did you use the recommended amount or be a little generous with it for a little extra oomph? That's why I thought you may have run no skimmer, what are your thoughts on the Marco Rock as it's one of the options I've been looking at for the base rock for the tank.
I really love the idea of a cryptic zone, do you the section darkened or just running the rock down there like normal in a sump without a light? Decent lfs by the sounds of it, it always makes a difference having a good lfs as your go to!
I did a little reading last night to further my knowledge on the FM method you're applying and are you running a slight hybrid of zeolight? A few products missing with the addition of some serious bacteria supplements? lol I really do like what you're doing with it by creating your own system, similar to zeo without carbon dosing really? And a lot of food/amino input?
I definitely can't wait to watch your tank continue to progress mate as I find this build fascinating! And I can do so with comfort knowing that you won't tell Kevin! Last time I was there it was a little weird, he just sat there staring at me :uhoh2:
these are bacteria in FM : Bakto blend, Bakto therapie . in the new Zeolight system, it is recommended but not compulsory to dose bacteria . Correct me if i am wrong.
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