The FedEx lady came this morning....

[Toddrtrex]

No, the % isn't listed, was hoping that it was.

Treating in the tank would actually be easier for me. The directions state that one drop/gallon. Have them in a little 5 gallon tank that I just picked up. And I don't care about the piece of live rock that I put in there.

And I will add an air stone to this tank.

Again, thanks for your help. This is the first time in 10+ years of keeping clowns that I have had to deal with anything like this. Guess I've been lucky.

 

[traveller7]

IME, remove the rock it is going to be more trouble then it is worth.

Be prepared for small and frequent water changes, pH is going to drop very quickly. Ammonia will build up with or without the rock. Carbon in that cartridge is going to remove the meds.

Without knowing the amount of formalin in the medication and its history of being harsh on small fishes, stick with the stated levels and keep looking for formalin in 33-37% range to use for dips.

If the quick cure is going to help, you'll some positive level of change in 24-36 hours.

Keep us posted as new symptoms appear or other changes in behavior show up. In fact, pull out a flash light and look very closely at the skin of the fish.

And, keep an eye on that pH, once it starts dropping...it will plummet.

Good luck.

 

[taylor t]

I have a bottle of Formalin you can come and get if you don't find any anywhere else. It says only Formalin on the ingredients list. That's it. I don't know the %. I do know it burns my eyes and takes my breath away if i get a wiff of it. It says 1 drop per gallon on alternate days. I don't know the concentration for a dip though. You're welcome to come and get it if it's worth it to you. I'm around the corner from MHurley, so it may be a bit too far for you. LMK.

 

[wicked_NaCl_h2o]

I think I see ich, little salt grain spots..I used cupramine to get rid of the ich. It worked well with my chrysopterus..within a couple of hours my fish started eating again. Just use a salifert, seachem, or api copper tester to test the levels. Don't let the levels get any higher than 0.5 mg/L. Don't measure the cupramine in drops only ml. It is easier to measure it that way and less chance of overdosing.

http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/fish-diseases-treatments/23132-marine-ich-myths-facts.html

 

[stagefright13]

Sorry to see your new pets are sick! That sux...

I have used quick cure many times over the years in my freshwater tanks and has worked every time. I think quick cure has cured more fish than all other meds combined. (Maybe cause they even sell it at walmart)

But I did have a freshwater fish with heavy breathing like that. Same symptoms. And quick cure fixed it. He lived a ripe old age. And finallly died a wrinkled old man last year. So hopefully that is some encouragement. I think he had ich or something in his gills. But had no spots on his body. And it did cure him in a few days.

The biggest problem I had with the 5 gallon med tank for saltwater is keeping the temp stable. I made the DKH 12 and the PH wasn't a problem. And did daily water changes.

The older formula for quick cure was:

tri-chelated formula of 99.20% Formaldehyde .75% Malachite Green

Now is says Formalin with no percentages listed.

Hope they recover!

 

[Toddrtrex]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13248947#post13248947 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by traveller7
IME, remove the rock it is going to be more trouble then it is worth.

Be prepared for small and frequent water changes, pH is going to drop very quickly. Ammonia will build up with or without the rock. Carbon in that cartridge is going to remove the meds.

Without knowing the amount of formalin in the medication and its history of being harsh on small fishes, stick with the stated levels and keep looking for formalin in 33-37% range to use for dips.

If the quick cure is going to help, you'll some positive level of change in 24-36 hours.

Keep us posted as new symptoms appear or other changes in behavior show up. In fact, pull out a flash light and look very closely at the skin of the fish.

And, keep an eye on that pH, once it starts dropping...it will plummet.

Good luck.

Why do you say that about the rock? (( just wondering ))

I removed the carbon pad from the little hang on filter. Making extra water right now, so I will be able to change as much water as needed.

That is what I did, put in the 5 drops that it says.

Good to know, that I will hopefully see some improvement in 36 hours or so.

Oh, I will for sure keep everyone posted. And already have my flashlight up by the tank.

Cool, have the test kits out and ready to use.

Thanks.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13249060#post13249060 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by taylor t
I have a bottle of Formalin you can come and get if you don't find any anywhere else. It says only Formalin on the ingredients list. That's it. I don't know the %. I do know it burns my eyes and takes my breath away if i get a wiff of it. It says 1 drop per gallon on alternate days. I don't know the concentration for a dip though. You're welcome to come and get it if it's worth it to you. I'm around the corner from MHurley, so it may be a bit too far for you. LMK.

Thanks a lot for the offer. I work near 88 and Mill, and my folks live in the South part of Naperville. If I don't see any improvement by the weekend I will send you a PM.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13249186#post13249186 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by wicked_NaCl_h2o
I think I see ich, little salt grain spots..I used cupramine to get rid of the ich. It worked well with my chrysopterus..within a couple of hours my fish started eating again. Just use a salifert, seachem, or api copper tester to test the levels. Don't let the levels get any higher than 0.5 mg/L. Don't measure the cupramine in drops only ml. It is easier to measure it that way and less chance of overdosing.

http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/fish-diseases-treatments/23132-marine-ich-myths-facts.html

I thought that at first, but after looking at the picture again (( the un -resized one, they really appear to be air bubbles. But, I will for sure keep my eye on that, thanks.

 

[traveller7]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13249302#post13249302 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Toddrtrex
Why do you say that about the rock? (( just wondering ))

The meds are going to kill anything beneficial as well as the bad stuff. It with then contribute dead bio mass to ammonia production.

In addition, it will absorb meds, trap uneaten food you want to siphon out, be something the fish may rub themselves on doing more damage then hoped, etc.

I'd pull the rock, top off to a desired and maintainable water level, add another drop of Quick Cure.

If they don't show improvement in 36 hours, the'll need a new path of treatment.

fwiw: I would consider lowering the specific gravity or getting ready to.....What level is it at now?

 

[Toddrtrex]

Ahhh, okay, that makes perfect since about the rock now.

Would be easy to lower the salinity, have plenty of RO/DI on hand, the salinity right now is 35 PPT/1.026. (( with a calibrated refrac. ))

 

[traveller7]

Not all folks agree, but I tend to drop it down in stress situations like this...say 1.022-1.023 now, 1.019ish tomorrow evening.

Sets them up for an easier drop to full Hypo if necessary. I don't think you are dealing with ich, but if so, 1.009-1.010 will be the target. Easily reached with a 50% water change from 1.019 ;>)

Best of luck.

 

[Toddrtrex]

Thanks again, will do all of that. Just pulled the rock and replaced the water it had displaced with RO/DI.

Future question for you (( assuming that they get better )) How long should they stay out of the display tank ( which they were in ). Without them it is fishless. I wouldn't want to re-infect them. BUT,,,on the 15th of September I get to have back surgery, so doing water changes in the hospital tank will be an issue.

 

[traveller7]

Todd,

Can't accurately answer the timeline questions until the pathogen presents itself for an ID. When the bug is unknown, I go 6 weeks.

Stay the course, lets see what tomorrow holds.

Try to have some pipe in the tank so the fish don't have to swim 24hrs without rest.

It might be worth adding a sponge filter(s) to one of your other established tanks so that the post medication phase in the 5.5g is supportable by adding the established filtration to the 5.5g.

Medication is likely done in 2 weeks.

Worst case hypo for 4 weeks.

Have a good night.

 

[Toddrtrex]

Scott

Good deal. Worse case I can have some one come over, or I can do water changes by the pitcher.

Already have a couple of pieces of PVC in there, which they are hanging out in.

Just put an old maxi-jet sponge into the sump of my 58.

Will test the pH and ammonia in the AM, before I go to work (( and odds are I will test it before bed too )) and take any needed actions.

You have a good night too, and I owe ya.

 

[kimsie]

Hey Todd - I caught up on all that is going on this morning. I'm glad that you're taking the steps you are. Hopefully they will come out of this ok! Sorry about the anemone...

How were the fish this morning?

 

[wicked_NaCl_h2o]

I may have missed this, do you have an air sponge or air stone in the QT. Its always best to have it because some meds can lower oxygen levels. If you already have one disregaurd this message Do the fish seem any better this morning?

 

[Toddrtrex]

Kim, Christina.

Thanks. One of them didn't make it through the night. Woke up this morning and it was dead. The other one ( the one that always looked better ) is still with us. Was hard to tell if it was better, but I know that it wasn't worse. Ticked ( besides the one dying ) because I wanted a pair.

And yes, I do have "mr. bubbler" going.


EDIT, did do a water change this morning after taking the one clown out.

 

[kimsie]

Oh Todd!!! Bummer!! Sorry - have you talked to DF&S yet?

 

[Toddrtrex]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13251734#post13251734 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kimsie
Oh Todd!!! Bummer!! Sorry - have you talked to DF&S yet?

Thanks, it is a bummer.

About the Haddoni, yes. About the clown(s), yes/no. They are aware of whats going on, but not that one of them died. Going to let them know about it when I get back from PT, which I am heading to now.

Hold down the fort for me, will be back in about 90 minutes or so.

 

[connorsbala]

<a href=showthread.php?

Here is a close up shot of them. I will try to get a side on shot,

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Shame about the Clowns :s
But, i have never seen that before! You can see the Clown to the left of the pic's teeth! Amazing!!!!!

 

[Kimsie'sMom]

Todd - trust me, it is next to impossible to surprise Kimsie with Christmas or birthday or anything. She is a great detective.

 

[Toddrtrex]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13254036#post13254036 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Kimsie'sMom
Todd - trust me, it is next to impossible to surprise Kimsie with Christmas or birthday or anything. She is a great detective.

LOL Took me a second to remember what that was all about. But, that almost sounds like a challenge.