The Moorish Idol Thread

geeze, you guys just keep gettin POUNDED by Huricanes! its really ridiculous!


hope everything is ok ... let us know as soon as you can! We will be holding out breath!.. or breaths.. or each.. NEVERMIND! YOU GET IT!!!
 
Welp its day 6 without power. Luckily we have a huge generator running our entire house and fish tanks. The Idol is doing as well as can be expected considering the situation. We're hoping power will come back on soon. What a disaster this has been!
 
hey zfunk i live in florida to the hurricane hit my house bad the whole patio and our big mango tree was destroyed..But all fishes are okay...Hey do you have aol or aim? if so what is the name?
 
Hey vi3tb0i, we just got power back late last night. All my fish are OK. The only one I lost was a damsel in one of my storage tanks. Strange that out of all the fish I have I lost a damsel. Moorish Idol looks good thank god. If he survived through this, I think he has a good chance of surviving a long time.

I have AIM but I am never on it. I'm on myspace though.
My Page I started a group on there devoted to this hobby (since there wasn't one that I could find). So this would be a good way to meet some new people in the hobby. Check it out if you get a chance. There are also more pictures of my tank and my Idol :).
 
I'm very glad you and the Moorish Idol got through that OK!

I wanted to let you know, of the many sponges I have tried to feed my fish, Clathria rugosa (p. 27 Sprung Invertebrates) is the one that he loves. Common names are paddle sponge and vase sponge. It is orange with a stalk and a paddle-shaped top. The book says it is circumtropical, but I have gotten it from Indo-Pacific sources only. It takes him about a month to eat it all, and the Potter's Angel loves it as well. There is also a white low-growing sponge that grows in the darker tanks at the LFS I work at that my MI likes.

Sponges I have bought that he doesn't show interest in include Teichaxinella (ruffled sponge) and the ball sponge or moon sponge (Cynachyra or Cynachyrella ?), both from Carribbean sources.
 
Thanks for the info fangblenny! I wish it was easier for me to identify the sponge I give my Idol. I'll see if I can do it and post the scientific names on here.

There is no sponge left in the tank for my Idol. Him and my Regal Angel ate it all. Man, I went down to the inlet I always dive in yesterday, and the water looked like chocolate milk because of this hurricane. So it's gonna be a while before I can get him more sponge. But I think he'll be fine until then hopefully.
 
zfunk007 said:
Thanks for the info fangblenny! I wish it was easier for me to identify the sponge I give my Idol. I'll see if I can do it and post the scientific names on here.

There is no sponge left in the tank for my Idol. Him and my Regal Angel ate it all. Man, I went down to the inlet I always dive in yesterday, and the water looked like chocolate milk because of this hurricane. So it's gonna be a while before I can get him more sponge. But I think he'll be fine until then hopefully.

How long have you had the Idol? I'm going on a year and never fed him sponge, wonder if I should? Would the orange branch sponge work?
 
hey guys, i've read this whole thing and i'm pretty impressed. i have a few questions. First is, what other fish do you have in your tank with the Idol? And second, how did you acclimate your Idol? Thanks.

-Jared
 
sturm2002 said:
hey guys, i've read this whole thing and i'm pretty impressed. i have a few questions. First is, what other fish do you have in your tank with the Idol? And second, how did you acclimate your Idol? Thanks.

-Jared

I have a Hippo Tang, Flame Angel, Magnificent Foxface, Golden Butterfly, Hawaiian dwarf Lionfish. striped puffer and the Moorish Idol.
I acclimated the Idol with live steamer clams to get it eatting and now he's in front for flakes, brine, mysis shrimp and live steamer clams every now and then.
They do better if they are one of the first introduced to the tank and stock the tank around the Idol. Depending the size of one's tank stay away from aggressive tangs or any other fish that will stress it out.
 
My Idol lives with a Potter's Angel, Bangaii Cardinal, and a Royal Gramma. All fish were introduced simultaneously to the aquarium... The Idol directly from the store, the 3 others from another tank of mine. I was not to worrried about any spikes since the tank had 100 + lbs of established live rock. (I think the Potters would have beat on the Idol if he went in the tank first)

I drip acclimated the Idol starting with about 1/2 gallon of water in his bag from the store and doubling that over about 1/2 hr. I followed this with a 6 minute freswater dip, because he had a few white spots. The Idol showed no signs of stress with the dip. Then, into the tank.

As far as feeding, he ate everything I offered from the first hour he was in the tank. (And some things I never wanted him to eat)

I definately agree with ReefGeekster, stock the tank around the idol.
 
New MI keeper

New MI keeper

Yesterday i added a MI to my reef tank. I have kept most everything under the sun in my tanks including seahorses. This is a new adventure and would like a little help. He did take mysis shrimp with out garlic a eat some and spit the rest out. When he was acclimated with the lights off no one messed with him he sat in the corner and rested a bit and then came out and swam with my hepatus and my other fish like he had been there for years. I am however a bit worried about getting him to eat after reading so many horrible threads and such any advice would be helpful. As soon as i get home i will try and down load some pics. Thanks in advance for any help.


P.S What types of sponge are you feeding your MI
 
sturm2002 said:
I was wondering if any of your MI's have shown any aggressiveness towards the fish in your tanks?

Mine neither bullies or being bullied by any of the other fish, then again I added the other fishes around the Idol so I can have the less stressed fishes possible either way.
 
What do yall think about regulating these fish in the trade? I hear that the mortality is so high and it bums me out. I am considering not even collecting them anymore, unless specifically asked by an experienced retailer or hobbiest.
 
My Idol is definately not reef safe, and in addition what he will eat is not predictable. Some LPS he eats, some he ignores... he nibbles on SPS, not significantly... eats the obviously tasty, like clams and seastars. He also eats snails when he can (If they are on their backs) Likes to nibble orange sun coral, ignores the black one. Definately seems more attracted to bright colors. Ate one type of ricordea, ignored the other.

In my experience, for a reef tank, not only the fish but the corals as well must be chosen around the Idol. I have my Idol in a full reef but only at the price of gambling on every new corals. If I did not get a great discount by working at my LFS, I could not afford the experiment!

Other Idol owners, are your Idols reef-safe?
 
alikatoes said:
I am considering not even collecting them anymore, unless specifically asked by an experienced retailer or hobbiest.

And how would you know who those are? Who gets to decide who a "experienced retailer or hobiest" is? What standards or criteria would you use to classify someone as to the above?

THese fish are not endangered int he wild in any way by the current collection practices. Let me qualify that by saying that At least that I know of. I personally think that the size, collection method and SHIPPING is what the worst enemy of these fish are. That is an opnion thoughsince I have no data to back it up.
 
ReefGeekster, I have had my Idol for comming up on 6 months now. I honestly don't think he prefers any particular type of sponge. He eats just about any sponge I put in the tank if I leave it sit in there long enough.

As for all the questions reguarding whether or not Moorish Idol's are reef safe. In my experience, they are certainly NOT reef safe in the least bit! From what I have observed from the ones I have seen in captivity, they have a varying degree of what what corals they will and will not eat. For my Idol, it wasn't a matter of which ones, but a matter of when he would decide to destroy a certain coral in my tank.

My Idol sampled just about every coral in my entire tank before I moved him. The only one I can think of that I didn't ever see him pick on was a green torch coral I have. I have made several lists a few pages back in this forum where I listed which corals he ate. Feel free to go back and check them out.

As far as regulating them in the trade. I don't see too much of a reason to. I think if the people catching them would feed them more before they were shipped out as well as more care taken in shipping them. And then they were fed again once at the wholesalers, they would acclimate much better once they got to our tanks.

Like I have stated before, from my experience, the problem stems from getting an unhealthy specimen to begin with. This comes from them "starving" for several days while they are being shipped everywhere. As we all know these fish have a VERY high metabolism and they tend to pine away rather quickly if not fed at least a couple times a day. I think that if these fish were fed more before they were shipped, shipped better, and introduced into a good environment as quickly a possible, the chances of them surviving would be much greater.

When I got my Idol, I had the privledge of getting him right out of the bag from the wholesaler. I cut out the entire time this fish would have had to adjust to a retailer's tank. Instead he went straight to my tank at home. I think this is one of the key things to why my Idol has done well.

I also think (from my several experiences with Idols) that once they are completely adjusted to aquarium life, meaning they are "filled out" eating regularly and their banner is very long and thick, they are very hearty aquarium fish.

This was proven to me this year when we got yet another direct hit to my area from hurricane Wilma. We were without power for 7 days. We had a generator running the tanks, however, during the storm my tanks were out for around 8 hours before we got the generator running. Then every 15 hours or so we would have to shut the generator down, wait an hour, fill it with gas, and then fire it back up again. Each and every time my tanks would be going on and off, lights going on and off. My Idol never faultered, never flinched and he remains as healthy as ever, even in a smaller than adequate tank.

This experience proved to me that he is a healthy and even hearty fish once he was completely established in my system. I think everyones Idols can be like this if they aquire a healthy specimen and take the time and care needed to get them over that initial "hump."

As far as what other fish I house my Idol with, right now he is with a very large Broomtail Wrasse and a rather small Regal Angel. He bullies both of them from time to time. He will get up next to my Broomtail (who is 3 times his size) and extend his dorsal fin and bump up against him. Very interesting behavior. The Broomtail just looks exasperated and tries to ingnore him.

Anyway, I hope that answers some of your questions. And that should get you caught up on my Idol lately. He continues to do well. I just hope I can get him a bigger home soon. Him and my Broomtail are out growing that 110 gallon tank really fast. I'll post more pictures in the comming week or so. Right now because of this hurricane our internet has been going up and down.

I'd love to hear some updates from some of you guys we haven't heard from in a while! Lets hear it!
 
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