Think I got a indo elegance coral

[skyshrimp]

So I order this elegance coral from bluezoo aquatics and I think I got a indo elegance instead of a aussie . Just wanna know if anyone has had any good luck with the indos despite the bad rep the indos have. How can I Help it acclimate to my system and thrive. 2 day later and here is how it looks seems like its got that dang disease.

 

[garetjax]

Yes it hit and miss on these corals. I got mine on friday and it seems to be doing good. I did read the the crown needs to be flush with the sand. I noticed yours in a holder out of the sand. Not sure if thats wrong or not. Here is a pick of the one i got. I just lowered the crown to even with the sand. The pick was when the crown was up a little to much i think.
Good luck with yours and keep posted on how's it doing.

Garetjax

 

[skyshrimp]

Did you get yours from bluezooaquatics as well?

 

[garetjax]

Nope got mine from a LFS. Was able to see it before i bought it. I lucked out and it was fully open at the store and looked good. I also got it because i got it for $25.00. I figure for that price i couldn't go wrong knowing it is hit and miss on these corals.

Garetjax

 

[skyshrimp]

Can you describe your tank set up like the lighting and params if ya domt mind.

 

[elegance coral]

Did Bluezoo sell it as an Aussie, or did they not specify?

It's not really "hit or miss" with the Indos. They're all sickly. A few may "survive", but the vast majority will perish.

 

[skyshrimp]

It was listed as a purple tip ec. And says its from jakarta. They didnt specify but jakarta sounds like indo to mee. As of right not no tissur receeding. It has very little polyp expansion but good coloration. Ive read the eric b theory, just need some help now.

 

[elegance coral]

Jakarta is the capital of Indonesia, and where most Indonesian corals are shipped out from. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but your coral is very ill, and it's going to be that way for a long long time. If it survives at all. Please, if you ever purchase another elegance, please, please, please make sure it was collected in Australia. Part of the problem with these corals is that Indonesia has raped the collection sites and now the collectors are forced to dive to deeper depths to collect them. So, when you buy an Indonesian elegance, the natural environment gets raped a little more, you throw your money away, and another animal dies a meaningless death.

Please don't take what I said personally. I'm just trying to get the point across to people that may be reading this, that buying these corals is a very very very bad idea.

Your placement on the PVC is perfect. These guys are VERY sensitive to increases in light, so try to keep it somewhat shaded. It may begin producing excess mucus. If it does, it will be worse in the mornings. It will need to be remove as soon as possible. Simply waving your hand over the coral usually dislodges it. Then it can easily be removed from the tank with a small fish net.

HTH
EC

 

[Theprettycolors]

How can one tell from Aussie or Indo?

How can one tell from Aussie or Indo?

So I order this elegance coral from bluezoo aquatics and I think I got a indo elegance instead of a aussie . Just wanna know if anyone has had any good luck with the indos despite the bad rep the indos have. How can I Help it acclimate to my system and thrive. 2 day later and here is how it looks seems like its got that dang disease.

 

[elegance coral]

"How can one tell from Aussie or Indo?"

"How can one tell from Aussie or Indo?"

You can not look at an elegance and be absolutely positive, in most cases. Generally speaking, the Indo's will have an unbroken, dirty, flattened, cone shaped skeleton, like the one pictured above. Australian collectors typically collect larger corals, from cleaner environments. Then before they're exported, they're fragged. So, the Aussies usually have clean white skeletons that has been cut on one, or both ends. I haven't seen an elegance come out of Indonesia that I would consider "healthy" in about ten years. If you find one with long thin tentacles, like the one in my avatar, or this video, you can be fairly confident it came from Australia.
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[skyshrimp]

Wel maybe im being too positive but today I looked after the elegance and it was expanded more today than yesterday. Maybe its still acclimating to my system or something. Can it take an extended period of time for a ec to acclimate to a diff system. I recieved an email from blue zoo aquatics earlier and they said that they kept all corals in ther care under 400w mh lighting, soundes like that could be overkill or a ec from indonesia. Maybe mine will look better day by day since an ati 6x54w sunpower isnt as intense as a 400w mh light. Hmm who knows

 

[elegance coral]

Hopefully your coral is going to make it. It's either going to start healing, or start decomposing. If its expansion is improving, it sounds like you may be headed in the right direction.

Allot of places use 400W MH's. They're often placed several feet above raceways that are 4 foot wide and many feet long. They use large reflectors that spread the light over a large area. Those corals on the edges of these raceways may be several feet away from the light and exposed to relatively low PAR. The fact that they run 400W MH's does not indicate that the coral was exposed to higher PAR values than it is in your system.

All elegance corals acclimate slowly. I have an Aussie that I purchased about 7 months ago. I had to place four sheets of window screen between the coral and the light, to shade it. It took six months before I could remove the last piece of screen.

 

[elegance coral]

One more thing you may, or may not, want to consider. The skeleton of these corals is basically a small LR that will cure once placed in an aquarium. There are small organisms like sponges that may not survive this transition. When they die, microbes will begin to reproduce on the skeleton and feed on this decomposing tissue. The last thing you want around an elegance like this is large populations of microbes that feed on damaged tissue. When I was working on these corals, I would take a stiff tooth brush and scrub the skeleton clean, before placing it in the tank.

 

[mscarpena]

I would definitely shade it. I have one from Indopacific and it has been a live for about 2 years and is doing great. My story is few and far between. Mine had a gall crab in it eating it. Watch for pests. I shaded mine for about 2-3 months. I put 3 layer of window screening over it and took 1 layer off about every 3-4 weeks. Low/medium flow and feedings every now and again. I would think 6 T-5's would be too much as well. I would say lower light is much less harmful than too much light.

 

[skyshrimp]

Well heres an uodate for you all, I will continueue with these until my ec gets better or unfortunaly dies. I cut my lighting cylce back to blues on for 12hrs and full blast at 7hrs was 6 until I increased by 1hr today. Well was looking at it today and it seems a little better or either is tricking me with false hope.here are some pics as well. I was reading yesterday of a guy who gets indos pretty often I think and he treats them in 250ml of doxyciciline(may have spelled that wrong) every time he gets them in a gallon of tank water. He treats them for a pet store for his area. He gets them straight from the shipper treats them for the pet store and he says they do fine after treatment and he gives them to the pet store and customers have benn happy with the results of a healthy ec. Anyone else ever do this and had good results? Also how can I check my ec for gall crabs or do I know my ec even has them.

I havent noticed any white fuzzy films on the ec or necrotic tissue. Few minutes ago I was looking at it and saw some brown stuff coming from two of the outer mouths. Dont know if it was poop or brown jelly disease. I have a pic of that as well. It was kind of clumpy looking like poop but who knows..lol. Another thing I noticed was that when I cut the pumps off to blow the brown stuff off of it the tentacles became longer so now im thinking maybe it needs to be in a area of lower flow, thinking of miving it to the outer area of my tank where there is less flow and a frogspawn in that side of the tank.
Well thoses are my "observations" for today.

Pumps on

Pumps off

Brown stuff from mouths

 

[skyshrimp]

Excuse my spelling had to type from my smart phone when it constantly thinks it know better than me(auto-correct feature)

 

[elegance coral]

Lower flow will definitely be of help. The brown stuff is zooxanthellae. Corals don't poo brown stuff unless you feed them something brown. They don't have bile from a liver, or dead blood cells to turn their poo brown. You may want to put a few pieces of widow screen between the elegance and light, to shade it.
Why did you take it off the PVC?

 

[garetjax]

Glad to see it doing better.

Garetjax

 

[skyshrimp]

Took it off the pvc to see that when I place it on the sand bed it will slowly feed off the faund that crawls around at night. may be coincidence but it seemed to expand a little more when I did this. I will go back to shading it with plastic canvas (3 layers) and remove 1 each month until none are left. any thoughts on checking for gall crabs or the doxy treatmemt? Is it expelling inner algae because of too much light? Appreciate all the help you all you are giving me. Who know maybe well stumble across a cure for this stuff, lol.

 

[DarkXerox]

I was reading yesterday of a guy who gets indos pretty often I think and he treats them in 250ml of doxyciciline(may have spelled that wrong) every time he gets them in a gallon of tank water. He treats them for a pet store for his area. He gets them straight from the shipper treats them for the pet store and he says they do fine after treatment and he gives them to the pet store and customers have benn happy with the results of a healthy ec. Anyone else ever do this and had good results? Also how can I check my ec for gall crabs or do I know my ec even has them.

I havent noticed any white fuzzy films on the ec or necrotic tissue. Few minutes ago I was looking at it and saw some brown stuff coming from two of the outer mouths. Dont know if it was poop or brown jelly disease. I have a pic of that as well. It was kind of clumpy looking like poop but who knows..lol. Another thing I noticed was that when I cut the pumps off to blow the brown stuff off of it the tentacles became longer so now im thinking maybe it needs to be in a area of lower flow, thinking of miving it to the outer area of my tank where there is less flow and a frogspawn in that side of the tank.
Well thoses are my "observations" for today.

I remember this is what Julian Sprung recommended to treat these with. 3 days of doxycycline at 50mg/gallon and shielded from light as the antibiotic is light sensitive.

I have a fragment of the famous elegance that has been in captivity since 1988 that I got last year and it is growing very quickly. Given that time at which it was imported, it most likely is an Indo elegance correct?