wild_one123
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What are the top 10 rarest clownfish? based on price and availabilty.
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Such will vary depending on where in the world you are located, i.e., we don't get many, if any, Omanensis in the States.
Something a bit closer to home, Latezonatus are not considered common in the States, but you can likely get them easily in NZ.
Price of the less common clowns is quite elastic, for instance, I am not parting with my Chrysogasters and the offers have been quite substantial.
I believe you will receive more relavant information from the community if you state the intent of the questions, and the focus of the answers.
Cheers.
Something a bit closer to home, Latezonatus are not considered common in the States, but you can likely get them easily in NZ.
Price of the less common clowns is quite elastic, for instance, I am not parting with my Chrysogasters and the offers have been quite substantial.
I believe you will receive more relavant information from the community if you state the intent of the questions, and the focus of the answers.
Cheers.
wild_one123
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like world wide, i can import any clown if i can find someone to ship.
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wild_one123
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can someone give me list starting with the worlds rarest
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The rarest in existence would likely be naturally occuring hybrids.
In the case of "rare" clowns, they are typically not rare in the wild, just rarely imported or environmentally protected.
Try this list and see if it is what you are looking for:
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=284558
My list of 10 on the East coast of the US is different the the West coast of the US, which is different then the list of 10 in Aus, which is different then the list of 10 in the middle east.
Such is the way of a world wide market.
In the case of "rare" clowns, they are typically not rare in the wild, just rarely imported or environmentally protected.
Try this list and see if it is what you are looking for:
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=284558
My list of 10 on the East coast of the US is different the the West coast of the US, which is different then the list of 10 in Aus, which is different then the list of 10 in the middle east.
Such is the way of a world wide market.
wild_one123
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ok what would be the 10 rarest in America.
55semireef
Moved On
Are black mis-barred perculas considered rare?
As Scott said, different parts of America have a different top ten rarest clowns. You probably won't get the same list from people living in the same town. I think a better question (which has been asked many times, as well as this one) is, what is the top 10 clowns that you would want in your tanks? However. since you asked, my list of what I consider the rarest for me to get are:
1. A. Omanensis
2. A. Mccullochi
3. A. Chagosensis
4. A. Latisfaciatus
5. A. Fuscocaudatus
6. A. Latezonatus
7. A. Theillei
8. A. Leucokranos
9. A. Chrysogaster
10. All the those that are not uncommon but poor shippers so they are difficult to obtain healthy specimens like Nigripes, Akyndinos, Allardi, Sebae, Chrysopterus( especially white tail).
1. A. Omanensis
2. A. Mccullochi
3. A. Chagosensis
4. A. Latisfaciatus
5. A. Fuscocaudatus
6. A. Latezonatus
7. A. Theillei
8. A. Leucokranos
9. A. Chrysogaster
10. All the those that are not uncommon but poor shippers so they are difficult to obtain healthy specimens like Nigripes, Akyndinos, Allardi, Sebae, Chrysopterus( especially white tail).
55semireef
Moved On
There are holes in the system.
phender
Active member
Here would be my list, and the reason's why.
1. A fuscocaudatus (live in a world wildlife sanctuary in the middle of nowhere, can't be collected)
2. A. omanensis (Collection not permitted in Oman, but their range may extend into Yeman where they can be collected)
3. A. chagosensis (Maybe a hybrid between bicinctus and nigripes, too remote for collectors)
4. A. mccullochi (We don't see them in the U.S. but they do appear on occasion in Japan and Taiwan)
5. A. chrysogaster (live on a very remote group of islands, not much reason to collect there)
6. A. thiellei (hybrids are always rare and its not even certain where they come from, although somewhere around the Philippines seems likely)
7. A. rubrocinctus (you want to swim with killer crocs to collect a fish that looks like a tomato clown?)
8. A. latifasciatus (Although they are mainly from Madagascar, their range does extend to the African mainland. It would not surprize me if we get them on occasion, but they are misIDed as allardi, chrysopterus or clarki, even though the latter 2 species don't come from Africa)
9. A. latezonatus (Not common by any means, but there are quite a few that make it to the U.S. every year)
10. A. leucokranos (Not common in nature since they are a hybrid, but they come from an area that is heavily collected. If you have the right connections, you can get one)
There you go. The chances of you actually ever seeing one of the fish in the top 7 is very slim unless you go collect them yourself and apply for all the permits and such.
1. A fuscocaudatus (live in a world wildlife sanctuary in the middle of nowhere, can't be collected)
2. A. omanensis (Collection not permitted in Oman, but their range may extend into Yeman where they can be collected)
3. A. chagosensis (Maybe a hybrid between bicinctus and nigripes, too remote for collectors)
4. A. mccullochi (We don't see them in the U.S. but they do appear on occasion in Japan and Taiwan)
5. A. chrysogaster (live on a very remote group of islands, not much reason to collect there)
6. A. thiellei (hybrids are always rare and its not even certain where they come from, although somewhere around the Philippines seems likely)
7. A. rubrocinctus (you want to swim with killer crocs to collect a fish that looks like a tomato clown?)
8. A. latifasciatus (Although they are mainly from Madagascar, their range does extend to the African mainland. It would not surprize me if we get them on occasion, but they are misIDed as allardi, chrysopterus or clarki, even though the latter 2 species don't come from Africa)
9. A. latezonatus (Not common by any means, but there are quite a few that make it to the U.S. every year)
10. A. leucokranos (Not common in nature since they are a hybrid, but they come from an area that is heavily collected. If you have the right connections, you can get one)
There you go. The chances of you actually ever seeing one of the fish in the top 7 is very slim unless you go collect them yourself and apply for all the permits and such.
Fishboy42
Premium Member
Thanks Phil, good information. WC A. rubrocinctus I've never seen, but ORA does have them on the lists (or at least did recently); my LFS was able to get me a few.
Funny that you say chagos may be a hybrid; I've wondered before if A. omanensis was a hybrid (or originates from a cross) of bics and nigripes considering the ranges for all of these fish (and of course their appearances).
Funny that you say chagos may be a hybrid; I've wondered before if A. omanensis was a hybrid (or originates from a cross) of bics and nigripes considering the ranges for all of these fish (and of course their appearances).
phender
Active member
I knew that ORA had been producing rubrocinctus, but like you said, you are not likely to see any wild caught ones.
I have thought that omanensis might be a hybrid as well, but (at least according to Fautin and Allen) there aren't any likely parents in that area. The only other clowns off the coast of Oman are clarki and sebae. Of course that doesn't mean that this has always been so. With chagosensis, both bicinctus and nigripes occur in the Chagos Islands and chagos are pretty much bicinctus with black feet.
FWIW, I have seen a pic of a chrysopterus from the Solomons that IMO (and Bruce Carlson's) looks very much like a omanensis, including the black anal and pelvic fins. Sorry about the pic quality. It was scanned from a magazine.
I have thought that omanensis might be a hybrid as well, but (at least according to Fautin and Allen) there aren't any likely parents in that area. The only other clowns off the coast of Oman are clarki and sebae. Of course that doesn't mean that this has always been so. With chagosensis, both bicinctus and nigripes occur in the Chagos Islands and chagos are pretty much bicinctus with black feet.
FWIW, I have seen a pic of a chrysopterus from the Solomons that IMO (and Bruce Carlson's) looks very much like a omanensis, including the black anal and pelvic fins. Sorry about the pic quality. It was scanned from a magazine.
55semireef
Moved On
Wow. Great picture and information Phil. I am always learning from your posts. 
