Treating two carpets at the same time?

[Tango451]

I picked up a rescue haddoni today that was in terrible shape and will begin treatment tonight.

When I got home, my small blue looked terrible (the red covered him/ took it's spot and he has been moving to his current spot for a day and looked fine doing so). Should I treat him with the other carpet as well? if you feel he needs treatment please let me know, It's my favorite one.

Also, is there any risk for success in treating two anemones at the same time vs just one?

The picture attached is how he looked a few minutes after I got home and the next is how he looks now which was taken a few minutes after

 

[Tango451]

I can't tell if it's just stressed from moving or if it is showing signs of sickness (it has been in my tank for less than a week - was added after water was good and water has been great since)

 

[Tango451]

And here is now (I'm including all of that's updated pics to help best gauge the situation). My gut is telling me it does not need treatment and was stressed from moving/ agitated; however, it has been in my system less than a week and I do not want to take a chance in loosing him which is why I'm turning to all of you

 

[mcginnisandrew]

Have you read through the sticky about treating nems? I've never done it myself but having read through that, I would say you should probably pull the blue nem and treat it.

Yes you can do it along with the other sick nem, although it may be safer to treat them separately if possible so that if one dies, it doesn't nuke the QT and kill the other. If you can't do that I would just treat them together.

Hopefully somebody with more experience in treating nems will chime in. For now, I would read through the cipro protocol sticky and related threads

 

[DasCamel]

They can infect each other. I would separate to observe at least.

 

[Tango451]

Thank you I'm starting think he needs treatment as well. I know Minh has treated multiple gigs at once, but those came from all the same place/ tank. The one that I picked up is in rough shape and treatment was started last night. The blue looked good last night by the end of the light cycle and that morning not so great.

I am worried about putting together but only have one qt. has anyone had any experience treating two nems like this/ could see the treatment failing because of it? Here is a pic of this morning of the blue- does it need to be treated asap?

 

[Tango451]

And here's the blue last nigh right before turning off lights

 

[asudavew]

5 gallon buckets work fine. Just separate them both into buckets.

 

[asudavew]

From the photos the red looks ok. Any other shots of the red?

I might give the blue another day before treating. Doesn't look that bad.

 

[Tango451]

For the blue I'm torn between thinking it's still getting used to everything and just very stressed from having it's spot taken (looked great till the red nem took it's spot). And I could grab a better pick of the red once the light turns on. It's doing great, not sick at all.

So for the blue judging how it looked bad then perfect last night and then again this morning looks bad - if this behavior continues for more than the 24 hours would you treat it or still observe it? And the problem with the 5 gallon bucket, I do not have a spare power head small enough to go in that/ an extra good light (it's being used in the set up qt with the haddoni I just picked up in really rough shape)

 

[asudavew]

A little harbor freight pump would suffice.

 

[D-Nak]

I would NEVER, EVER EVER EVER add a new carpet nem to a tank with an established, healthy nem. I don't understand how this is even thought of as a good idea. The negative consequences FAR outweigh the fact that the nem could be fine and just left in the tank.

The infection rate is extremely high, and IME it's worse in terms of transfer with haddoni than gigantea. I would remove the blue haddoni immediately and watch it for a few weeks.

IMO the investment in a red haddoni would make me very careful of my additions to my tank. If you have deep pockets, your perspective is probably a lot different.

I don't understand why -- and I don't mean to come down on you directly -- people spend hundreds of dollars on carpet anemones but don't take the proper precautions and have a QT protocol in place.

Furthermore, why spend the money on an expensive nem, but not want to buy one or even two QT systems when they cost less than $100 each? A tank, heater, small pump, and thermometer is really all you need. You don't even need a good light.

I think using buckets is a terrible idea. It's silly and asking for failure. The heater could touch the nem and burn it, it could easily get sucked into the powerhead, the bucket could leach harmful substances, it's not a good insulator of heat, etc. etc..

When it comes to these issues of sickness and infection, you really don't have time to think about it and debate about a decision for a few days. By the time you decide, it'll most likely be too late. It takes days for the nems to show symptoms and IME haddoni -- once they show conclusive symptoms -- are just as hard to treat as gigantea and the failure rate is high.

Sorry if I sound frustrated.

 

[D-Nak]

And to directly answer about QTing separately...

YES. QT them separately. Their level of infection is different, and therefore each nem needs to be treated accordingly.

This is my main issue with wholesalers who are treating nems with antibiotics. Without a complete treatment of each nem separately, they are actually making it harder for us once we receive the nems because they don't respond to treatment.

 

[addictedreefer]

I would NEVER, EVER EVER EVER add a new carpet nem to a tank with an established, healthy nem. I don't understand how this is even thought of as a good idea. The negative consequences FAR outweigh the fact that the nem could be fine and just left in the tank.

The infection rate is extremely high, and IME it's worse in terms of transfer with haddoni than gigantea. I would remove the blue haddoni immediately and watch it for a few weeks.

IMO the investment in a red haddoni would make me very careful of my additions to my tank. If you have deep pockets, your perspective is probably a lot different.

I don't understand why -- and I don't mean to come down on you directly -- people spend hundreds of dollars on carpet anemones but don't take the proper precautions and have a QT protocol in place.

Furthermore, why spend the money on an expensive nem, but not want to buy one or even two QT systems when they cost less than $100 each? A tank, heater, small pump, and thermometer is really all you need. You don't even need a good light.

I think using buckets is a terrible idea. It's silly and asking for failure. The heater could touch the nem and burn it, it could easily get sucked into the powerhead, the bucket could leach harmful substance, it's not a good insulator of heat, etc. etc..

When it comes to these issues of sickness and infection, you really don't have time to think about it and debate about a decision for a few days. By the time you decide, it'll most likely be too late. It takes days for the nems to show symptoms and IME haddoni -- once they show conclusive symptoms -- are just as hard to treat as gigantea and the failure rate is high.

Sorry if I sound frustrated.

+1. Just learned this one the hard way. Introduced what I thought was a very healthy small blue haddoni w/o QT. Got sick within a week and killed off (despite treatment efforts) an established gig and red haddoni that I've had for about 4 years. Even spread to three of my mags, but they responded to treatment (knock wood).

 

[Tango451]

I agree with you too. And by no means do I have deep pockets I have had that red for many many years). There is no excuse; however, It's difficult for me to house something for weeks and weeks due to personal reasons which is still not am excuse because if it hurts my others that's on me. When I pick up a haddoni that looks poor I keep it in qt/ ht. I truly believed this small blue haddoni (and usually when they are small, they are better off/ healthier from my experience to be healthy)

If something happens to my red, I'll hate myself. I'm getting a 3 gallon tub to hold 2.5 gallons of water to be treated with 87.5 mg of cipro and the light I'm running is long enough to give light to this tub too if next to it. The blue is about as big as two half dollars when fully open

Can I get away with just a bubbler for treating this nem or is a nano power head a must?

 

[DasCamel]

I agree with you too. And by no means do I have deep pockets I have had that red for many many years). There is no excuse; however, It's difficult for me to house something for weeks and weeks due to personal reasons which is still not am excuse because if it hurts my others that's on me. When I pick up a haddoni that looks poor I keep it in qt/ ht. I truly believed this small blue haddoni (and usually when they are small, they are better off/ healthier from my experience to be healthy)

If something happens to my red, I'll hate myself. I'm getting a 3 gallon tub to hold 2.5 gallons of water to be treated with 87.5 mg of cipro and the light I'm running is long enough to give light to this tub too if next to it. The blue is about as big as two half dollars when fully open

Can I get away with just a bubbler for treating this nem or is a nano power head a must?

No need to get fancy, but decent flow should be provided. I would use a heater, small powerhead, and a basic 10g plastic container. I wouldn't go smaller, the water will be filthy too fast. Of course egg crate to separate the equipment from the Nem. Really basic, fairly cheap. If more than a few days, would also provide adequate light.

 

[taylor t]

IMO, 10 gallon tank is a minimum.
TT cost too much, why even try.

 

[Tango451]

I have a qt set up and will be moving the blue in soon/ by tonight. I understand when an anemone deflates that they are ridding themselves or attempting to rid themselves of something bad (infection etc). However, just for my knowledge, can someone explain to me what the difference is between deflation and shrinking/ shriveling up in regards to sickness. I have read many threads where people explain that mouths being open aren't a big de and neither is an anemone getting smaller. The blue, and correct me I am wrong, has not been deflating Per se but shriveling up very small and then looking normal again. Is this a deflation cycle or is it just shriveling up (based from all the pictures). The picture I'm attaching I just took right now. I am confused if shriveling up is a sign of sickness or stress or is shriveling up deflation?

 

[taylor t]

Pic is at minimum stressed/not acclimated. Better quality pics needed. The more details, the better feed back you will get.

 

[Tango451]

This picture may be slightly better (sorry about the quality taking them on my phone). So judging from the progression of photos I have posted started with the first till now, would you say this anemone is still acclimating/ stressed and possibly not sick?

In the next hour I will attach a progression of a few photos that might better show what the anemone is doing/ going through

As always , thank you to everyone for your continued time and input - I truly appreciate it.