Tunze ATO issue

Yash

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Question for those of you that might have and use a Tunze Osmolator for auto top offs. After your ATO restarts after being turned off (if you turn your pump off during feeding, maintenance, etc"¦), does the ATO pump some water into your tank? I have found that after I power mine back on, the indicator pad shows low water and it fills about 10-15 seconds worth of water until the display says "œlevel" water. I know this has nothing to do with water level, since I could immediately turn the pump off and back it and it would run through the same low water --> add water cycle.

I'm sure it's not too big of a deal in the big picture since I turn my pump off only once a day during feeding, and one other time during maintenance. I just wanted to make sure there wasn't any other issue with my ATO, or if even the 10-15 seconds a day could impact my parameters since I am using kalk in the ATO water.
 
yes, all three of mine do this. not entirely sure why, but everytime they are powered back on after losing power, they pump for a few seconds.
 
Mine does this as well. Even when the water level is good it still pumps water for about 10 seconds or so when powering back on.
 
This is one of several design flaws in the Tunze. Get the JBJ it is more reliable at 1/3 the price.
 
Thanks folks. Glad it is not just my unit that is malfunctioning. Regarding switching it out for a different brand, at this point, it's a sunk cost and I really like the peace of mind offered by the dual redundancy offered by the 'eye' and float switch in the Tunze. Planning on hooking it up to my Apex for a third level and I should be good to go. Besides, I doubt a 10 second runoff once a day will have any drastic effects on the tank.
 
This is one of several design flaws in the Tunze. Get the JBJ it is more reliable at 1/3 the price.

what other design flaws?

i'm not saying the JBJ isn't a good unit, i don't use it so i don't have an opinion, but if this is your biggest complaint about the Tunze, aside from price, it seems like a non-issue to me?
 
The tunze and the JBJ both do it as a self test for the pump. If I remember correctly it states this in the instructions.
 
what other design flaws?

i'm not saying the JBJ isn't a good unit, i don't use it so i don't have an opinion, but if this is your biggest complaint about the Tunze, aside from price, it seems like a non-issue to me?

The biggest issue is the eye getting dirty all the time (monthly or sooner) and failing to read the level (thinks it's full) and doesn't call for water. Then the return chamber runs out of water. Also when the level runs low in the ATO the pump stops (to protect it) and has to be power cycled to start it again (the JBJ doesn't need to be cycled) (happens once in awhile if I forget to top up the ATO water). No issues ever with the JBJ - I have them both.

Oh the eye also needs fairly calm water to work correctly.

Just not really pleased with a very expensive device with design flaws.
 
The biggest issue is the eye getting dirty all the time (monthly or sooner) and failing to read the level (thinks it's full) and doesn't call for water. Then the return chamber runs out of water. Also when the level runs low in the ATO the pump stops (to protect it) and has to be power cycled to start it again (the JBJ doesn't need to be cycled) (happens once in awhile if I forget to top up the ATO water). No issues ever with the JBJ - I have them both.

Oh the eye also needs fairly calm water to work correctly.

Just not really pleased with a very expensive device with design flaws.

If the eye gets dirty that quickly, you either have extremely dirty water, or you need to move it to a different location without much light (assuming it's algae thats growing on the sensor). Mine rarely gets cleaned (maybe yearly?).

I would definitely not consider these design flaws, but moreso redundancies to protect your system. Doesn't the JBJ use float sensors at their primary means of detection (unless they came out with a new one)? Many don't like float sensors as a primary means of detection as they are prone to fail, moreso than an optical eye. The newer ATO units don't use float sensors. I do agree that it would be nice if the unit didn't have to be re-started after the top-off unit is re-filled with water.

And yes, the Osmolator does a system check during boot up, part of which is checking to make sure the pump is working properly and the top-off has water, so it runs for a few seconds then goes into ATO-mode.
 
The biggest issue is the eye getting dirty all the time (monthly or sooner) and failing to read the level (thinks it's full) and doesn't call for water. Then the return chamber runs out of water. Also when the level runs low in the ATO the pump stops (to protect it) and has to be power cycled to start it again (the JBJ doesn't need to be cycled) (happens once in awhile if I forget to top up the ATO water). No issues ever with the JBJ - I have them both.

Oh the eye also needs fairly calm water to work correctly.

Just not really pleased with a very expensive device with design flaws.
I've never cleaned the eye on any of my three, and not had an issue with turbulent water either. Weird.

Was yours accumulating a lot of salt build up or something?
 
The Tunze pumping ATO water 10-15 seconds when turned back on once a week (after water changes) is totally insignificant in my 75 and 180 tanks.

Cleaning the Tunze "eye" with vinegar and toothbrush is part of my monthly maintenance schedule. Takes 2-3 minutes. I don't view it as a big deal.

I have been using Tunze Osmolator ATOs for 3.5 years on my 75 and 2.5 years on my 180. During this time, I have had to replace the pump on one tank ($35) when I let ATO reservoir run dry. Otherwise, Tunze Osmos have performed flawlessly.

IMO, I think they're worth the $.

Mike
 
You can adjust how much the pump puts out after restart. It's in the instructions. The running after restart isn't a malfunction or a design flaw. It is a system check and for you as well to make sure everything is good.

I have had tunze running for close to a year now and have never cleaned anything on it. I inspected it in July and it was clean as a whistle.

Resevoir has run dry four or five times now and I ahve come home to a buzzing pump motor. Still kicks like a mule.
 
This is one of several design flaws in the Tunze. Get the JBJ it is more reliable at 1/3 the price.

The biggest issue is the eye getting dirty all the time (monthly or sooner) and failing to read the level (thinks it's full) and doesn't call for water. Then the return chamber runs out of water. Also when the level runs low in the ATO the pump stops (to protect it) and has to be power cycled to start it again (the JBJ doesn't need to be cycled) (happens once in awhile if I forget to top up the ATO water). No issues ever with the JBJ - I have them both.

Oh the eye also needs fairly calm water to work correctly.

Just not really pleased with a very expensive device with design flaws.

The JBJ does not do this.

Go use the JBJ then and stop bashing the Tunze Osmolator when you don't know how to use it properly.
 
Haven't cleaned the "eye" sensor in over a year and no issues. My only complaint with my tunze is the power cord goes bad with humidity. On my third power cord. It's not the expense but the aggravation. Other than that it's money when it comes to ATO functions...:thumbsup:
 
Go use the JBJ then and stop bashing the Tunze Osmolator when you don't know how to use it properly.

I have been using the Osmolator for 3 years. I have earned the right to bash it if I feel justified. With the JBJ I also have the top 2 ATOs so I also have earned the right to compare the two. Have you? Or do you simply parrot what others have told you?

I did not have any issues with the Osmolator accept for turbulent water until about a year and a half ago. Then I started to have to clean it monthly. I do this now as part of my maintenance.

I stand corrected on the JBJ testing the pump on power-on. It does do that.
 
I have 3 Osmolator's currently and have been using them for a few years now.

Like others have stated the pump running after power cycle is normal.

I did have a pump go bad while on vacation due to the reservoir running dry. (Obviously my fault)

However, I did have one tank that for some reason overfilled intermittently... (Almost to overflow float switch activation)

It actually was due to the "controller" being close to the magnetic holder. (Again, my fault)

All in all I've they have been pretty spot on and honestly, I've never cleaned an eye. :eek2:


Here's a little info for those surfing forums that might need it:




Written by TunzeAdmin
on January 16, 2012
Filed under Technical support




" If you have purchased a new Osmolator and are having a technical problem where it will not shut off please follow the trouble shooting outline below.

PLEASE NOTE THAT THE TECHNICAL ISSUE HEREIN DESCRIBED UNDER (3) IS ISOLATED TO UNITS MANUFACTURED FROM DECEMBER 2010-MARCH 2011.

1) Does the Osmolator controller have both the yellow pump on and green level lights on. If yes proceed to 2 if no proceed to 6.

2) In normal operation the yellow light will come on when the water is low and the pump will run until the correct level (optic sensor) is reached, after a delay of 8-15 seconds the yellow light and pump will shut off and only the green light should remain on. If this is not the way your Osmolator is responding proceed to 3 if it is responding this way but you still get an overfill proceed to 4.

3) First verify that the controller is not near a strong magnetic field, i.e. the controller is in close proximity, generally less than 2 feet from a magnetic holder, ballast, large pump or magnetic cleaner, if it is near such a magnetic field try repositioning the controller or ideally try a test in another room away from the tank. It is possible for certain ballast to emit such strong electromagnetic interference that the osmolator will not work on the same outlet as the wiring is essentially serving as an antennae and the electromagnetic field is overriding the controllers functions.

After this is checked unplug, and then open the controller housing and note the position of the black component in the lower left of the attached picture, it has three connection points on the board and to those familiar with electronics it looks like a transistor, it is however a 11V-5V transformer that powers the board.

If this component is bent flat against the board, it is likely creating a short so the pump is powered directly, the fix is simply to bend it forward as it looks in the picture. Beginning in April a small spacer is added to prevent this from recurring, this part cannot move on its own so once you move it it is fixed, it can only move due to shipping and excessive jarring and vibration. Even with this short the float switch and 10 minute time out will still shut down the pump, so a careful installation of your new osmolator with close placement of the float and optic sensor will avoid any issue other than some time lost and minor inconvenience. This problem was only found this morning after a customer complaint yesterday.

4) Is your tank a nano or smaller than 30 gallons volume or with a small filter compartment housing the sensors? Due to the limited volume of your tank, the built in 8-15 second overfill feature is raising the float and causing an alarm, the solution is to restrict the flow of the pump with a small drip irrigation valve or valve such as the Two Little Fishies Micro valve, this valve should be placed at the very end of the hose and can be used to restrict the water flow as needed. This 8-15 second delay is an intentional feature to reduce the on and off cycles in a day and only adds about 6 oz of water past the fill detection, however this may be too much for a small set up or small filter compartment. If your tank is not a nano or adding the valve did not solve your problem proceed to 5.

5) If the unit is cycling off but coming back on later even though the water level is correct, there is an issue with the optic sensor. The optic sensor is tested before it leaves the factory, in fact it is tested 2 times, once before assembly and then a final assembly test. However, a defect that is latent or damage in shipping is not out of the question. Before assuming it is a defect though please try the following, rinse the sensor in hot soapy water, be sure it is thoroughly rinsed of soap residue before reinstallation. The current sensor is highly accurate and not easily affected by bubbles and turbulence, however when new the sensors have a waxy film from the manufacturing process which may repel water and attract air and the sensor cannot differentiate between a bubble and being dry. An extreme environment such as near a skimmer may also be problematic.

6) If you have an overfill and you have light other than yellow and green on, i.e. green only or to high red. You likely have a siphon, your reservoir water column is above the end point of your hose, this is common when topping off to a sump. You should install the sensors in your sump if present, but the top off hose should always be routed to the tank and mounted securely so the hose ends just above the water level of the tank and the reservoir is below. Many people try to rethink this and engineer a solution, gravity will never fail, check valves will and it is best to install it as intended. If the pump is not running and even the safety float and 10 minute shut down will not stop the flow of water, it is definitely a siphon, if this did not solve your problem, please send an email or PM to me. "
 
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