Tunze Stream control?

[Sparkss]

EDIT : The one you edited your last post to state looks pretty good, see my comments in my second reply below


I would take the one I suggested to Rich and modify the OSC and INT statements to match your tank. For a 5' tank the starting OSC would be :

Pmp OSC 10/10/00 for PF1
Pmp OSC 00/10/10 for PF2

I used the AquaSurf 1.0c Manual, which had the following starting recommendations :

Tank Width (feet) Off Time On Time
4’ 0.8 Seconds 0.8 Seconds
6’ 1.2 Seconds 1.2 Seconds

and calculated 5' to be 1 second. You would need to experiment up and down a little (IE: 09, 11, 12) to find the exact frequency for your tank, but 1 second (10) is a good starting point.

That is assuming the following MODE statements, using other MODEs will not work (or at least not work as well).

Pmp MODE sD for PF1
Pmp MODE SD for PF2

You need to synchronize PF2 with PF1, running unsynchronized could be hit and miss for getting a clean wave.

Then adjust your INT to give you the size wave that you want. Or possibly try doubling up like I suggested to Rich (I can't remember where I read about that, so don't take it as gospel from me, but it is easy enough to try it, nothing to lose really).

Doubled up would be :


Pmp OSC 20/20/00 for PF1
Pmp OSC 00/20/20 for PF2

HTH, and let us know how it works out and/or what you end up doing to get it to work. Thanks

 

[Sparkss]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11108960#post11108960 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by SFreefer
Could you suggest a program that allows for a simple day/night setting with maximum day action and minimal night? This is for a 5' tank and the program I use gets the huge waves at night.

I'm thinking this might simplify it as I don't thin I need any night wave action:

If Time > 09:00 Then WV1 PF1
If Time > 20:30 Then WV1 PF3
If Time > 09:00 Then WV2 PF2
If Time > 20:30 Then WV2 PF3
Pmp MODE sD for PF1
Pmp Int 030/100 for PF1
Pmp OSC 12/12/00 for PF1
Pmp MODE SD for PF2 -------changed to synch with #1
Pmp Int 030/100 for PF2
Pmp OSC 00/12/12 for PF2
Pmp MODE sD for PF3 -------removed synch
Pmp Int 30/50 for PF3
Pmp OSC 20/20/00 for PF3

You edited as I was posting

That looks great, but I would change the OSC statements for PF1 and PF2. Either double them up (like your PF3 is at 2 seconds) or drop them down to 1 second (10) from your 1.2 second setting (12). That should give you a better wave

HTH.

 

[SFreefer]

This is the latest. Set to kick in at 10AM now. Will let you know how it goes...

Pmp Int 030/100 for PF1
Pmp OSC 20/20/00 for PF1
Pmp MODE SD for PF2
Pmp Int 030/100 for PF2
Pmp OSC 00/20/20 for PF2
Pmp MODE sd for PF3
Pmp Int 030/050 for PF3
Pmp OSC 15/30/15 for PF3

 

[Chicago]

questions.. on a 8 foot tank is the below correct.. ? looking to generate waves..

next question.. i have a pair of 6101's on each side so a total of four..
has anyone tried to just use one side for part of the day and another for another part of the day.. in otherwords wave come from left for a time period and then from the right for a time period.. then maybe both sides for more wave ..

another question if i have four any other ideas.. right now i am running each pair as if they were one...

was thinking of doing growing surge from each side??

thanks

If Time > 00:00 Then PM5 ON
If Time > 00:00 Then PM6 ON
If FeedA 000 Then PM1 OFF
If FeedA 000 Then PM2 OFF
If Time > 06:40 Then LT1 ON
If Time > 06:50 Then LT2 ON
If Time > 07:00 Then LT3 ON
If Time > 07:10 Then LT4 ON
If Time > 07:20 Then LT5 ON
If Time > 07:30 Then LT6 ON
If Time > 22:40 Then LT1 OFF
If Time > 22:50 Then LT2 OFF
If Time > 22:00 Then LT3 OFF
If Time > 22:10 Then LT4 OFF
If Time > 22:20 Then LT5 OFF
If Time > 22:30 Then LT6 OFF
If Temp < 79.6 Then HT1 ON
If Temp < 79.6 Then HT2 ON
If Temp > 79.7 Then HT1 OFF
If Temp > 79.7 Then HT2 OFF
If Temp > 79.8 Then CH1 ON
If Temp > 79.8 Then CH2 ON
If Temp < 79.8 Then CH1 OFF
If Temp < 79.8 Then CH2 OFF
If Time > 00:00 Then ALM OFF
If pH > 08.99 Then ALM ON
If pH < 07.75 Then ALM ON
If ORP > 475 Then ALM ON
If Temp < 79.5 Then ALM ON
If Temp > 80.5 Then ALM ON
If Temp > 80.2 Then LT3 OFF
If Temp > 80.2 Then LT4 OFF
If Temp > 80.3 Then LT5 OFF
If Temp > 80.3 Then LT6 OFF
If Time > 01:00 Then ALM ON
If Time > 01:03 Then ALM OFF
If Time > 06:00 Then ALM ON
If Time > 06:03 Then ALM OFF
If Time > 11:00 Then ALM ON
If Time > 11:03 Then ALM OFF
If Time > 15:00 Then ALM ON
If Time > 15:03 Then ALM OFF
If Time > 19:00 Then ALM ON
If Time > 19:03 Then ALM OFF
If Time > 22:00 Then ALM ON
If Time > 22:03 Then ALM OFF
If Power 000 Then ALM ON
If Timer LT1 = ON Then PM1 PF1
If Timer LT1 = ON Then PM2 PF1
If Timer LT1 = ON Then PM3 PF2
If Timer LT1 = ON Then PM4 PF2
If Timer LT1 = OFF Then PM1 PF3
If Timer LT1 = OFF Then PM2 PF3
If Timer LT1 = OFF Then PM3 PF4
If Timer LT1 = OFF Then PM4 PF4
Pmp MODE sD for PF1
Pmp Int 030/100 for PF1
Pmp OSC 17/18/00 for PF1
Pmp MODE SD for PF2
Pmp Int 030/100 for PF2
Pmp OSC 00/18/17 for PF2
Pmp MODE sD for PF3
Pmp Int 030/050 for PF3
Pmp OSC 50/90/00 for PF3
Pmp MODE SD for PF4
Pmp Int 030/050 for PF4
Pmp OSC 00/90/50 for PF4

 

[SFreefer]

odd, still can't get anything close to the wave I got at night with the bad program. I have tried every int from 8 to 24 and nothing as close as to what I got with the off program:

If Time > 09:00 Then WV1 PF1
If Time > 20:30 Then WV1 PF3
If Time > 09:00 Then WV2 PF2
If Time > 20:30 Then WV2 PF4
Pmp MODE sD for PF1
Pmp Int 030/100 for PF1
Pmp OSC 12/12/00 for PF1
Pmp MODE sD for PF2
Pmp Int 030/100 for PF2
Pmp OSC 00/12/12 for PF2
Pmp MODE SD for PF3
Pmp Int 30/50 for PF3
Pmp OSC 20/20/00 for PF3
Pmp MODE SD for PF4
Pmp Int 30/50 for PF4
Pmp OSC 00/20/20 for PF4

Do you think it could be related to the intensity? Maybe 30/50 just generates a better wave in this tank?

 

[mcurl98]

with the 7095, I could use interval one , running one pump at a time (2 pumps) for virtually any length of time. I can duplicate this with the AS program but my alternating between the two pumps on/off is limited to 99 second intervals. How can I have one pump on at a given power percent while the other is off-switching back and forth every 5 minutes? I think I can use the standard OSC for wavemaking but then I cannot control the intensity of the pumps. Am I missing something? Can interval 1 not be duplicated with the AS?

 

[Deleted member 143833]

Have you tried using a fake timer to control the profile like this:

OSC 005/005 On/OFF Then FAK ON

If Timer FAK On Then WV1 PF1
If Timer FAK OFF Then WV1 PF2

If Timer FAK On Then WV2 PF2
If Timer FAK OFF Then WV2 PF1

And then have PF1/PF2 opposite one another like this:

Pmp MODE sD for PF1
Pmp Int 100/100 for PF1
Pmp OSC 99/99/00 for PF1

Pmp MODE sD for PF2
Pmp Int 000/000 for PF2
Pmp OSC 99/99/00 for PF2

 

[mcurl98]

I've never used a fake timer and don't totally understand them but I will definitely give it a try. The above would be program statements--would I also need a timer name statement and, if so, what would it be? Thanks for your help.

 

[Deleted member 143833]

A fake timer is just that, you create a timer, give it a symbol and an address (be sure the address is not on a real device (e.g., P0). Then you can use the program to turn on/off the fake device which the AC3 will treat as if it where real (the AC3 doesn't know its fake). Then you can use it to trigger other things.

 

[mcurl98]

Thanks! I will give it a try

 

[Sparkss]

I had been playing around with some code to handle 4 pumps on our AC Jr. The intent was to have a regular, higher intensity wave during the day with an hour or so of high intensity, chaotic flow during the high point of the day (to help randomize the flow and hopefully help carry any detrius out of the tank.. something that a pure wave has been known not to do very well, from what I have been told). Then a lower intensity flow pattern for night time. I actually used a separate, spare AC Jr for this, so I had no other timers to key off of (IE: lights, etc), everything is based off of time with several fake timers (not tied to any outlets). In fact we don't even have a DC8 (or anything else except the Aquasurf)connected to this AC Jr.

By itself it takes up 36 program lines, but does provide some good random flow, a wave and a night mode.

Pmp Mode SD for PF1
Pmp Mode SD for PF2
Pmp Mode sd for PF3
Pmp Mode sd for PF4
Pmp Int 000/100 for PF1
Pmp Int 000/100 for PF2
Pmp Int 030/100 for PF3
Pmp Int 030/050 for PF4
Pmp OSC 13/13/00 for PF1
Pmp OSC 00/13/13 for PF2
Pmp OSC 05/20/15 for PF3
Pmp OSC 15/30/15 for PF4
If Time > 0900 Then DAY ON
If Time > 2100 Then DAY OFF
If Time > 1500 Then CHS ON
If Time > 1600 Then CHS OFF
RND 15/10 ON/OFF Then TM1 ON
RND 20/10 ON/OFF Then TM2 ON
RND 10/10 ON/OFF Then TM3 ON
RND 20/10 ON/OFF Then TM4 ON
If Timer DAY = ON Then PM1 PF1
If Timer DAY = ON Then PM3 PF1
If Timer DAY = ON Then PM2 PF2
If Timer DAY = ON Then PM4 PF2
If Timer CHS = OFF Then TM1 OFF
If Timer CHS = OFF Then TM2 OFF
If Timer CHS = OFF Then TM3 OFF
If Timer CHS = OFF Then TM4 OFF
If Timer TM1 = ON Then PM1 PF3
If Timer TM2 = ON Then PM2 PF3
If Timer TM3 = ON Then PM3 PF3
If Timer TM4 = ON Then PM4 PF3
If Timer DAY = OFF Then PM1 PF4
If Timer DAY = OFF Then PM2 PF4
If Timer DAY = OFF Then PM3 PF4
If Timer DAY = OFF Then PM4 PF4

Here is the key for my timer names :

PM1 - PM4......Pumps 1 through 4*
TM1 - TM4......Fake Timers 1 through 4
DAY...............Fake Timer to define "Day" time
CHS...............Fake Timer to define the chaotic flow period

*Ours is a 6.5' long tank that is 4' from front to back. We have 2 pumps on either end, equally spaced out on the side wall(s). Pump 1 and 3 on one end, 2 and 4 on the other.

The random flow during the CHaoticS period does a much better job at randomizing the flow than I had expected. For that hour that I have it enabled it really shakes up the tank. There is possibly a better way to accomplish all of this aside from burning 6 timers (10 total if you include the 4 pumps) and 36 program statements. But to do what I had in mind this was the way that worked for us (and having a spare AC Jr to use and not be worried about running out of timers or program statements didn't hurt anything either).

Any feedback or suggestions are always welcomed. Hopefully this might also help anyone else struggling with their programming of their AS unit(s)

 

[jglackin]

Thanks!

I have been having some problems with the program I am using. One of the pumps will shut off and not come back on and the pumps do not pulse. I haven't had time to deal with it, so I will give this code a try.

 

[pecan2phat]

Tom,

Which lines would I eliminate if I was only using 2 pumps?

I can probably guess, but don't want to mucky it up.

Thanks,
Warren

 

[jnarowe]

that is sweet Tom.

 

[Sparkss]

anything with TM3, TM4, PM3 or PM4 in it should be what you want to remove for 2 pump operation. You still need all of the PMP statements if you want the wave, night and chaotic modes.

I did recently make a change that I have not had a chance to fully evaluate. I used to have :

Pmp Mode sD for PF1

But that led to the pumps on the each side being slightly out of sync with each other.

I changed it to

Pmp Mode SD for PF1

To force them to sync up, which they now do. The only part I am even remotely concerned about is when switching between chaotic and wave and night and wave modes. It should be fine, but I won't know exactly how the AC will interpret and execute the code until tomorrow morning after night mode has transitioned to day/wave mode (I made the change earlier today, but after the chaotic period). If that works smoothly then I am less worried about the chaotic to day/wave transition that will happen later tomorrow afternoon. This is only because putting PF1 into synch mode may cause it to try to synch up with whatever profile was set before it, but once all are switched over to pulse, they should be syncing off of each other, so it should be fine. The only downside would be if things are not fine, then the pulses won't be synced any more for a wave.. but that should be about the extent of it.

Also, please adjust the intensity and pulse durations to match your tank.. those are for our tank .

 

[MADtanks]

would you say it would be worth runing the AS with just 1 Tunze 6055? i have 2 in my tank but i am going to remove one as it is too much flow for my tank, and alot of my SPS's PE is not as great as it is when i just run 1 pump during the day. So i am going to remove 1 pump. I have a single tunze controller to run one pump but i feel it is too repetitive, and i am wondering if it would be worth getting the AS for just 1 pump to have small waves, and or chaotic flow, with nite mode. thanks

 

[Sparkss]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11225296#post11225296 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jglackin
Thanks!

I have been having some problems with the program I am using. One of the pumps will shut off and not come back on and the pumps do not pulse. I haven't had time to deal with it, so I will give this code a try.

If this code doesn't do what you want, post yours and we can try to troubleshoot it

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11225559#post11225559 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jnarowe
that is sweet Tom.

Thanks Jonathan

You know I picked up a used AC III (should be here next week) since I thought I couldn't get the Jr to do what I wanted/needed, but then I figured out the one line fix I noted above (heck, one character fix actually).. which fixed my problem (as I stated I am still waiting to see if it introduced new problems or not ). But now that I figured that out I don't really need the AC III any more . I planned to use it for the extra 2 profiles it would afford me.. I will still replace our main AC Jr with it (for remote monitoring and control), but think I will leave the AS on the spare Jr for now

 

[jnarowe]

As long as you are getting feedback from both, why not? I suppose I would have to set up a new system if I had an extra Neptune Controller laying around! :lol:

 

[Sparkss]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11225642#post11225642 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by erickrm
would you say it would be worth runing the AS with just 1 Tunze 6055? i have 2 in my tank but i am going to remove one as it is too much flow for my tank, and alot of my SPS's PE is not as great as it is when i just run 1 pump during the day. So i am going to remove 1 pump. I have a single tunze controller to run one pump but i feel it is too repetitive, and i am wondering if it would be worth getting the AS for just 1 pump to have small waves, and or chaotic flow, with nite mode. thanks

Well, it is possible to have a wave with just one pump, under the right conditions (tank length/size, rockwork layout, etc), so yea, you could run that one off of an AS and get more control than you have now. You could actually get even more control than someone with 2 pumps becuase you would then have another profile (not being used) that you could use for yet another "style" of flow (IE: wave, chaotic, night and ???? ). But it is a big expense to gain that (I noticed that the price went up as Marine Depot recently*). If it is within your budget, and you have the spare timers and program statement lines to support the code**, then I think it would be worth it.

*I could have sworn that we paid $179 for our AS, but I checked earlier today and it was listed at $199. I need to go check our invoice from earlier this month to see how much we really paid.

** There is a thread here somewhere that lists the program limitations of the AC Jr and AC III as far as timers and program statements go.


HTH

 

[jnarowe]

I know for a fact that you can get a wave with just one pump. And if you are going to sell the other one, shoot me a PM!