Tunze Streams In A 55g??

[MiddletonMark]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7322744#post7322744 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Razzagas
MiddletonMark- I was looking at pics of your tank, and i cannot see the tunzes or the seio. where are they?

Hiding

Seio is currently out of tank, mixing water.

The 6060 is at the far right, in back, blows across the BB to the left, sweeping everything out from under the rockwork.

The Turbelle [right now] is exposed on the left by the overflow - unsure what pic you're looking at. Can see it now, didn't use to be able to.

When I had the Seio, it was hidden behind rockwork near the base of the overflow, a reverse flow to what the 6060 is now. Turbelle used to be hidden at the left, in front of overflow - now exposed. [step one of upgrade to 6000 ].

Provided the rockwork is really open [which mine doesn't show, but is very much] I've had good luck hiding one in the edge of the rockwork. Have to move a single piece of LR to clean presently ... not too big a hassle + prefer that flow to the closed loop I ran at one time.

But with this kind of massive flow [50x +] - putting it out by the corals would hassle them [with only 36" to travel] - and still leave dead areas in the rockwork. As this is - the turbelle + return move water for the corals, the 6060 blows stuff from rockwork -> suspension, where the other two can work it over the overflow.

 

[TA]

Re: here's my opinion

Re: here's my opinion

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7322285#post7322285 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by DitchPlains2
I have two seio 1100's in my 55, and quiet honestly their cheap, but they clog very very easily, they hardly run at optimum performance and cleaning them is a constant for me...

Ditto...110% bang on...absolutely...no doubt...unquestionable. If you've had no trouble, then great, but you'll never convince us troubled users any differently.

BOTH my 1100's have seized at least 10 times each over the last year. Of course, calcium build-up seems to be the cause, but cleaning them every 4 weeks is a pain in the arse! I had to replace the impellar shaft twice now....ceramic shaft breaks very easily if forced, but what are you to do when the impellar is frozen solid to the shaft . I finally tried replacing the ceramic shaft with a carbon fiber rod...the impellar is a bit loose, but works much better than the ceramic shaft and allows the impellar to move much more freely and seems to provide more flow.

After a year of use and cursing, I'd have to say although the cost is low, so is the quality of the pump...can't blame it all on cost though...heck, my even cheaper maxijets have less trouble!

If you have the money to even consider Tunze vs. sieo, then there really is no choice to be made.

Tunzes.....period.

 

[KH971]

I myself was going to get a pair, but feel that I am being shafted because someone is charging $800 for a pair of wavemakers, that does not have but about $300 cost in the units...total!!! They are probably even less. I myself know about cost,production,advertising,shipping,labor,insurance...& etc. I admit there is a price to pay for quality,piece of mind and good customer service, but there is a point to stop.

 

[KH971]

I don't have the facts in front of me, but other people on this site have posted that Tunzes have actually raised their prices, while other companies have dropped their prices on their powerheads.

 

[MiddletonMark]

The Euro exchange is a lot worse - seems like European equipment has across the board gotten a bit more spendy in the last year.

I've had zero problems with my almost two year old Seio 820's. Seems like the 1100's are nothing but problems ... I guess I'd recommend going w/ 820's.

 

[RichConley]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7326018#post7326018 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by MiddletonMark

I've had zero problems with my almost two year old Seio 820's. Seems like the 1100's are nothing but problems ... I guess I'd recommend going w/ 820's.

I agree here, the 1100s are almost all the problems I see. My 820s have been going a year, and have been bulletproof.

 

[DitchPlains2]

bleh

bleh

It's not the 1100's its the whole line of seio pumps. I'm not saying their bad, but the efficientcy, and perfomance of the Tunze far outbeats the seios. I have an 820 and an 1100, both clog constantly and require cleaning. The tunze seem to be built out of better materials in geenral I love my Tunze skimmer (9015). How can you even compare a $800 controllable tunze system, to a SEIO? It's not possible, their not in the same league. Firstly, Seio's are not controllable, unless you think switching the power on and off of a cheap wavetime is the same as adjusting the actual speed of the pump?? Not exactly the same thing.

I don't know about you guys, but when I use a powerhead I want something with little or no maintence, its bad enough with water changes, cleaning my skimmer, oh wait ( I have a Tunze 9015 it cleans itself) hehe.... I just see too many people who've been iin this hobby for a long time eventually switiching to either closed loops, or closed with streams. I have Seio's and now want to move on to bigger and better ways to move my water.

cheers
David

 

[Lunchbucket]

the coolest thing i found about my tunzes is that EVERY part is able to be replaced!! i upgraded from a turbelle to a stream w/ about 90 bucks and trippled my flow.

one piece breaks i pay minimal $$ to get an new one. most powerheads something breaks and you are better off buying a new one

Lunchbucket

 

[DitchPlains2]

lunch

lunch

definately a good product the Tunze line, I love my skimmer.

David

 

[MiddletonMark]

Re: bleh

Re: bleh

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7326527#post7326527 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by DitchPlains2
I have an 820 and an 1100, both clog constantly and require cleaning.

FWIW, I've had my Tunzes seize as well as my Seios. Without cleaning, any pump can seize.

Personally, my 820's are pretty bulletproof - have to clean my external pumps more often. Maybe I'm lucky

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7326527#post7326527 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by DitchPlains2
when I use a powerhead I want something with little or no maintence, its bad enough with water changes, cleaning my skimmer, oh wait ( I have a Tunze 9015 it cleans itself) hehe.... I just see too many people who've been iin this hobby for a long time eventually switiching to either closed loops, or closed with streams. I have Seio's and now want to move on to bigger and better ways to move my water.

I agree on moving up to streams - but ditched the closed loop a while ago. More power use, more heat added to the system IMO compared with low power stream-style PH's. Did I mention it was noisier, too?

IME, nothing in this hobby will run for very long in a high calcium/alk concentration SPS tank. Having had powerheads of multiple kinds seize, a pump blow an impeller, another pump just die ... removing calcium deposits is par for the course, as is being hyper vigilant on water quality. Wish it wasn't so, but then again, I can go back to growing xenia again whenever I want

I also find it a pain, but have found that it's a lot more convenient cleaning on a schedule vs. in the middle of the night when the tank is having a crisis [or overheating, or ___].
Give enough years - and anything less than maintenance every few months will eventually have something seize. Whether Tunze [or red dragon] ... all will malfunction with enough buildup IME/IMO.

Not to say I find a seio equivalent to a controllable tunze, just that IMO both will die with enough neglect.

 

[RichConley]

Re: bleh

Re: bleh

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7326527#post7326527 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by DitchPlains2
It's not the 1100's its the whole line of seio pumps. I'm not saying their bad, but the efficientcy, and perfomance of the Tunze far outbeats the seios. I have an 820 and an 1100, both clog constantly and require cleaning. The tunze seem to be built out of better materials in geenral I love my Tunze skimmer (9015). How can you even compare a $800 controllable tunze system, to a SEIO? It's not possible, their not in the same league. Firstly, Seio's are not controllable, unless you think switching the power on and off of a cheap wavetime is the same as adjusting the actual speed of the pump?? Not exactly the same thing.

I don't know about you guys, but when I use a powerhead I want something with little or no maintence, its bad enough with water changes, cleaning my skimmer, oh wait ( I have a Tunze 9015 it cleans itself) hehe.... I just see too many people who've been iin this hobby for a long time eventually switiching to either closed loops, or closed with streams. I have Seio's and now want to move on to bigger and better ways to move my water.

cheers
David

THey shoudlnt be in the same league. You're talking a $300 pump vs. a $45 pump.

As to the SEIOs, and only controlling them by turning them on and off, thats false too. THe controller ramps them up and down, just like the tunze controller.

As to tunzes being cheap to maintain, the brackets (magnetic) cost more than a whole SEIO.

As to maintenance, like I said, I've had mine a year, they always start up, they have never been cleaned, and they work fine. 95% of the issues I have heard are with 1100s, and thats what you have.

 

[DitchPlains2]

mark

mark

Wish it wasn't so, but then again, I can go back to growing xenia again whenever I want

Haha don't I know it! I can't get rid of my xenia faster, I put'em in my sump and they still grow, bleh. My nutrients aren't that high, well my sps are colored nicely, that could be a sign. I'll have to wait to improve my tank by starving them rightly...lol j/k I know this hobby is full of problems especially when it comes to maintence. My current switch to sps, has my system running high calc, high alk as well, and I am starting to see the results already (not liek I didnt 2 years ago..lol) but the sps style is definately more taxing as it keeps the depositing of calcium at a steady n high rate thus clogging and ruining parts more quickly. However, I LOVE MY COLORED STICKS! I think Lunch hit it right though:

With seio's and others when a pump goes bad you got to replace the whole thing, with the Tunze you cna replace one part and move on. I had this issue with my last quiet one, it froze from nightly kalk slurry and well nothing in god's green earth would have fixed that piece.

good luck
David

 

[DitchPlains2]

LOL

LOL

95% of the issues I have heard are with 1100s, and thats what you have

BTW thanks for telling me what I have. I have both actually, and not pleased with any of them all too much. All wave devices are not the same, the ones avail for seios, are not variable controllers like on the tunze's

sorry Rich

David

 

[RichConley]

Re: LOL

Re: LOL

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7326890#post7326890 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by DitchPlains2
All wave devices are not the same, the ones avail for seios, are not variable controllers like on the tunze's

Again, incorrect. The seio controller uses the 4 pole AC motors that the seios have (most PHs have 2 pole motors) and ramps them up and down in speed. They DO NOT shut on and off.

The controller doesnt have as many modes as the Tunze, but it isnt going to cost you $1000 for a setup either.

 

[dvanacker]

Is the controller for the seio's even available anywhere yet??

Also do people have less problems with the 1500's??

Also I have to say that the 820 I have now has been pretty good to me.

 

[Dizzyswimmer]

I have one 1500, it's not even plugged in. I have 2 Tunze 6200's and I have been more than happy with them. I would go ahead and buy the Tunze . If you want a 1500 PM me .

 

[smoknreefrs]

i would certainly do the tunzes over any other option....especially since you plan on upgrading....

 

[agent007]

Excuse the stupid question but what is a closed loop and closed stream system?

BTW, I reading this thread trying to determine if I should go with Seio or Tunze.

 

[Lunchbucket]

closed loops are when pumps suck from the tank and pump into the tank. they don't add water to the overflow because the water sucked out is replaced immediately by the pump pumping it back in...it is "closed". if you shut the pump off and the outlets are below the water you won't loose a prime.

Lunchbucket

 

[imtopora]

I have a tunze 6060 in my 55g and I want another. Two might not be possible because I have sand though.