Used Vortech or 2 jabeos?
- Thread starter DrBoxedWine
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Sorry you feel at the spreading of the experience of others is polluting the hobby. Did you know that most of the information that has disseminated in this hobby is spread just that way? I don't really expect you to understand that, you haven't been in the hobby long enough, but you should be bright enough to see that. I am not a chemist, but I have sense enough to learn what the chemists in this hobby have experienced. I have also owned enough bottom tier equipment to understand the difference. I could add my 30+ years of experience in manufacturing, marketing, sales and distribution, but I get the feeling you may not understand he relevance of that either.
I won't argue this with you beyond this, you either get it or you don't. This same scenario has played more times than I can remember over the years.
I won't argue this with you beyond this, you either get it or you don't. This same scenario has played more times than I can remember over the years.
geckoejon
Active member
that is about an ignorant and unsubstantiated statement :lol:
spouting claims that are not able to be proven... would that be called ignorance or being closed minded and trying to steer people away from a product that you have no personal experience with? maybe you work for ecotech or own stock in them?
i encourage the op to research on rc. there are several jaebo threads with many more success stories than people with issues. you will also find the same with ecotech. i would weigh the price, the value, and make your choice. don't let a couple ignorant folks sway your choice...
The lack of reading comprehension in this thread is astounding. Start from the beginning of this thread, you missed a lot, or failed to understand what you read.
Owned two WP25 and one MP10.
WP25's are practically silent at 100%, MP10 was loud at even 50%. This was a huge disappointment for such an expensive pump. For some people the sexiness is no cords in the tank, for me the noise killed it. It was my loudest piece of equipment I owned and by a large margin. But the room my tank is in is quite, so maybe it the MP's noise stood out, I would sit about 6 feet away and hear it droning away on wave function or reef crest.
The WP's have a more useful mount inside the tank for that can angle where you want the flow.
I don't know I would of continued buying MP's but the WP's do the job better in my opinion. No fails, no problems for me.
WP25's are practically silent at 100%, MP10 was loud at even 50%. This was a huge disappointment for such an expensive pump. For some people the sexiness is no cords in the tank, for me the noise killed it. It was my loudest piece of equipment I owned and by a large margin. But the room my tank is in is quite, so maybe it the MP's noise stood out, I would sit about 6 feet away and hear it droning away on wave function or reef crest.
The WP's have a more useful mount inside the tank for that can angle where you want the flow.
I don't know I would of continued buying MP's but the WP's do the job better in my opinion. No fails, no problems for me.
Spiffy
Cheesy Poofs!
I was wondering about the failure rate of the Jaebo's so I turned to Google. From what I have been able to find, they are very good cost effective pumps that happen an above average failure and defect rate. On the other hand, the Vortechs are also very good pumps with a much lower failure rate, but a much higher price tag.
But at the end of the debate, it comes down to individual preference.
It's like comparing an M-16 to an AK-47. Expensive, accurate, high-maintenance and under-powered verses cheap, in-accurate, but rugged with high stopping power.
Different strokes for different folks.
But at the end of the debate, it comes down to individual preference.
It's like comparing an M-16 to an AK-47. Expensive, accurate, high-maintenance and under-powered verses cheap, in-accurate, but rugged with high stopping power.
Different strokes for different folks.
James77
Team RC
The Jebao pumps that most are using(the WP-25)have been out 1 1/2 years. There are a good share of failures, I would say more than the average Tunze or Vortech....though not excessive. It would be interesting to see where they stand in 2-3 years. I know when you have a problem with them, it is the retailer that steps in and sends you a new one with the cost of shipping added.
Compare that to a Tunze or Vortech......2 years and 1 year of direct manufacturer warranty. Tunzes can last many years....8-10 years is pretty common. I have never had one fail. Plus both will step up and help you out years afterwards. I have no personal experience with Ecotech service, but I know Tunze USA will even heavily discount the price of a new pump to replace a pump that is many years old. I have had Roger send me used parts at zero cahrge(only shipping) to patch up old pumps I have had laying around. Plus these 2 companies.....Ecotech and Tunze....actually create products, rather than copy. But price is all that matters to some.
Spiffy
Cheesy Poofs!
Very true. One of the main issues is that no one has any long-term results to speak about. With tech evolving and innovation going the way that it is, I don't think that we will. I have no experience with the Jaebo's, so I can't give a review, but I do have a Vortech, and would love to tell about it. It would be interesting to see result in another few years.
All I know is from my experience. I've had one stop because it got wrapped up in fishing line, it was probably this way for several days. I've dropped one multiple times from standing levels.(good 4ft drop)
I've also done vinegar baths multiple times.(this will test parts)
And neither of them have any issue and work just as well as they did 1.5 years ago. Of course, as others know, if I had bought a Vortech, I might just be up to the time to spend another 100$ on them to get wet/dry side replacements.
Either way, it's funny to see people fight so much about powerheads. They're a motor in a case that spins a magnet. It is not rocket science. Just like cars, there will always be a Lexus or Ferrari. But that doesn't mean much since their duty is simple. I would indeed love to have an application like the ECOSmart live. I think this program is worth it more than the powerhead.
Sirreal, I really meant no disrespect. It just takes me back to the days when I started asking on forums about carbon dosing. People laughed at me and called it snake oil. They said they had never tried it either.
I've also done vinegar baths multiple times.(this will test parts)
And neither of them have any issue and work just as well as they did 1.5 years ago. Of course, as others know, if I had bought a Vortech, I might just be up to the time to spend another 100$ on them to get wet/dry side replacements.
Either way, it's funny to see people fight so much about powerheads. They're a motor in a case that spins a magnet. It is not rocket science. Just like cars, there will always be a Lexus or Ferrari. But that doesn't mean much since their duty is simple. I would indeed love to have an application like the ECOSmart live. I think this program is worth it more than the powerhead.
Sirreal, I really meant no disrespect. It just takes me back to the days when I started asking on forums about carbon dosing. People laughed at me and called it snake oil. They said they had never tried it either.
Well that sucks!
I see the initial price is 300-400$!!!! lol
Kinda tired of the markup in this hobby...
Funny thing is, when I used the FX5 canister for a bit, I could easily get a gyre flow like this by positioning the output from the can across the top of the water length-wise in the tank.
I see the initial price is 300-400$!!!! lol
Kinda tired of the markup in this hobby...
Funny thing is, when I used the FX5 canister for a bit, I could easily get a gyre flow like this by positioning the output from the can across the top of the water length-wise in the tank.
Well that sucks!
I see the initial price is 300-400$!!!! lol
Kinda tired of the markup in this hobby...
Funny thing is, when I used the FX5 canister for a bit, I could easily get a gyre flow like this by positioning the output from the can across the top of the water length-wise in the tank.
For me the price is ok, current model is $299, thats almost 100 cheaper than a Vortex MP40 w a far superior performance for what has been shown on videos. Only question is reliability. Only reason that im going w the RW20's is because ill need the largest model which is scheduled to release on Jan-Feb '15.
DrBoxedWine
New member
Yeah the $299 really isn't that bad. I saw one in action at MACNA, and they're really cool. When you consider a knockoff with a very limited warranty (like an rw15) can run you $90, $300 for one that is likely to be high quality really isn't that bad.
mandarin_goby
New member
I have 2 MP10s, bought used, and I LOVE them. I recently bought a WP10 for my sump and I have to say, I'm pleasantly surprised. I'd say the noise level is about the same - my MP10s are at 50% and I barely hear them, the WP10 is about as high as it can go and it's just barely more audible. I'd get 2 WPs if you don't have the $$ to get MP10s.
I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to agree with the others. You've never used either product being discussed, yet you speak very matter of factly about them. Regurgitating YOUR interpretation of other people's forum posts as your own experience is not helpful. You are only serving to muddy the discussion.
Even if you are ultimately right it's still not helpful. Reaching the right conclusion for the wrong reasons is extraordinarily confusing for people. And it in no way enriches the discussion.
Nothing wrong with commenting on what you've read, but you need to make it abundantly clear that is what you are doing.
In that light, I do agree that it seems like there is a disproportionately high failure rate on Jebao pumps based on various other threads and people recounting their experience. So, I agree with you in that sense but I don't think it is helpful to pontificate any further.
Hang on sec you have to clean these???
Hang on sec you have to clean these???
I am ashamed to admit, but I have not cleaned my WP40's once since I got them about 18 months ago. Reading the post in the thread where the poster stated he had to clean them every 2 weeks got me to thinking I should probably do that.
I will post back if I have to peel my fish off the wall after the sudden increase in flow! :dance:
Dennis
Hang on sec you have to clean these???
I am ashamed to admit, but I have not cleaned my WP40's once since I got them about 18 months ago. Reading the post in the thread where the poster stated he had to clean them every 2 weeks got me to thinking I should probably do that.
I will post back if I have to peel my fish off the wall after the sudden increase in flow! :dance:
Dennis
Interesting.
Even more interesting, 9 out of 10 times more interesting.
Equipment decisions in this hobby are important, more important than for other hobbies that do not include keeping living creatures alive. Choosing equipment based on low price or hype supplied by people incentivised by the mfg. may not be a wise choice. While I will not support Jebao I have bought a Waveline DC pump, which is the same pump that Jebao has relabeled and is selling, and though it hasn't failed it is close to it. It will never fail because I will never use it again.
Even more interesting, 9 out of 10 times more interesting.
Equipment decisions in this hobby are important, more important than for other hobbies that do not include keeping living creatures alive. Choosing equipment based on low price or hype supplied by people incentivised by the mfg. may not be a wise choice. While I will not support Jebao I have bought a Waveline DC pump, which is the same pump that Jebao has relabeled and is selling, and though it hasn't failed it is close to it. It will never fail because I will never use it again.
