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Wippjas

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You indicate on your website that the Vertex Skimmers, both the IN-180 and the IN-100, are out of stock. Does this have to do with the issues that were arising with the pumps?

When do you expect to have them back in stock?

Thanks,
 
Hi,

The small amount of issues with the Vertex pumps was actually not even the pump itself, but rather the impeller inside the pump assembly. This was only on a small amount in the very first batch shipped to the US. Since then, all of the pumps have had new impeller shafts installed, which have completely fixed the problem.

We should have a new shipment arriving to us in the next week. The IN-100, IN-180, and IN-250 will have the new, shorter bubble plate in them as well.

Thanks,
Jeremy
 
I didn't realize that they were going to shorten the bubble plate.. Do you have any pics of the new design? Sounds like a good one.

Thanks,
 
why are they shortening the bubble plates?...
haven't heard of any user complaints?...do tell ;)
 
The IN-80 bubble plate will not be shortened, however the other models will be. There is very little performance gain, if any at all, but more from a visual aspect of the skimmer. A lot of customer's have commented that the chamber is not being utilized to it's full potential, so the height of the bubble plate was shortened, more from an aesthetics stand point than anything. And to calm a lot of the comments about the bubble plate being "too high".

We'll get some new pictures up as soon as they are in stock.

Also, if you are needing to place an order for the 100 or 180 that is out of stock we can do preorders over the phone for the next batch coming in. We will not charge your card until they are ready to ship. Or you can sign up on the wait list on our website to be notified for when they come back in stock.

Thanks,
Jeremy
 
Jeremy, did the footprint change on the new skimmers. I'm not sure if they had to change the location of the pump inlet or place the pump on its side to lower the bubble plate.

Thanks,
Jason
 
Hi Jason,

The pump will now be laying on it's side, so it will be a straight injection in, rather than having an elbow on the top of it. The footprint will only chance by approximately an inch or so.

Thanks,
Jeremy
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14274249#post14274249 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Jeremy B.
The pump will now be laying on it's side, so it will be a straight injection in, rather than having an elbow on the top of it. The footprint will only chance by approximately an inch or so.
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OK...now THAT sounds like a major improvement to me!!!...a straight injection, instead of a 90 degree elbow, should relieve any back pressure on the pump caused by the elbow and allow for more flow...and possibly reduce the wattage used by the pump....
any thoughts Jeremy???
 
I agree. Basic water flow dynamics would tell you that a straight shot is most certainly going to flow faster than having an elbow. This in turn would most likely push more water, which in turn should pull a little more air, and possibly allow the pump to slightly lower in overall wattage draw.
 
I have to say, I really think this "revised" version of the Vertex skimmers will be a truly more efficient skimmer IMHO...
after reviewing the available photos on-line, it appears that the original design with the pump utilizing the 90 degree elbow shows the wtaer/air input to be positioned at the top of the bubble plate chamber. In this set-up, I would think that the input flow itself would then interfere with the air/water mixture making it's way upward through the bubble plate...
now with the "revised" design, along with the increase flow and reduced wattage use, I would presume that the water/air input would now be located at the bottom of the bubble plate chamber, thereby decreasing any "working against itself" flow circulation...
again, IMO, this looks as if there will be a "real" performance gain and a true "plus" for those of us that have yet to purchase our first Vertex skimmers.... ;)

I am truly excited to see the new photos Jeremy!!!!....and I will also hope that the price of these skimmers DON'T get "revised" to the higher side to match it's improvements!!!...:lol:
 
As of right now there will not be any "revised" prices to go along with them! ;)

I honestly think the efficiency difference will be in the eye of the beholder so to speak. For us that are really into the skimmers, fine tuning, etc, I think we'll be able to easily see the performance differences, no matter how small they may be. For the average hobbyist though, who is generally the person purchasing this skimmer, there will probably be no noticeable difference in performance at all between the designs.
 
I have to agree with cet98. I feel that the new design is going to be more efficient. The way the bubble plate was installed in the earlier version really made me feel like the skimmer was compromising efficiency by reducing the reaction time in the main chaimber. Within the bubble plate chamber, there is too much turbulence to effectively collect protiens in my opinion. Now the input stream has more time to settle before hitting the condensing neck, and more time to react with the unprocessed water.

The placement of the bubble plate in the original design was one of the only things that made me second guess this skimmer. I look forward to this new design.
 
hey Jeremy,
any idea when the new photos of the newly redesigned Vertex skimmers will available for viewing?... :)
 
As soon as they come in the door we'll get the new pictures posted. Hopefully it will be within the next week or so. I will make sure we get a pic of each model though, the 100, 180, 250, and new 280.
 
Jeremy, do you think that these pumps/impellers are a good candidate for mesh mods? I've been watching several threads, and I haven't seen anyone give it a shot.
 
I know the Resun pump gets a lot of negative press around the boards. That has a lot to do with the fact that Resun will build a product to basically any manufacturer's spec for a relatively small investment. At that point it's up to the spec'ing manuf. to keep quality under control. If you're good at dealing with the company, you can get a reliable pump out of them as long as the impeller design is good. That's where these pumps fell in on the first batch. The motor block is very strong, however the impeller needed a few modifications. Now that we have seen that come under control there really shouldn't be any issues, and that goes for mesh modding. I personally haven't tried it myself, but I would be interested in someone playing around with it.
 
hey jeremy. is there any way i would be able to exchange the body and pump connections on my in-180 for for the new body and connections? i would pay to ship my stuff to you? the only reason i ask is this is the only flaw that i have found in the skimmer and it kind of sucks that i have just got the skimmer and they have now fixed this "flaw". i would really appreciate it.
john
 
Hi John,

Unfortunately we are unable to do any type of exchange from the old body to the new body. If you have purchased a Vertex from us we can offer a discount on the new body style though, although you would have to purchase the entire protein skimmer.

Thanks,
Jeremy
 
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