Want to confirm that these are red bugs. Pic included

[The DOC]

Very very remote chance of survival by young red bugs...they are livebearers...hence carry babies as do shrimp, copepods etc. 1 dose of interceptor WILL kill all red bugs in all stages, if done correctly for the right time....

This is just my experience, but have been told this by reefers far more knowledgeable than I....

Doc

 

[RichConley]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7632582#post7632582 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by salt-rookie
RickConley. It is my understanding that the Interceptor kills the live bugs in a dip. Since the "clean" frag has had the live bugs killed, and the water is NOT introduced into the tank. that there are no bugs present to reproduce. When treating a tank....larvae could hatch and survive one treatment. I did NOT enjoy the three treatments, the 25% water changes, and carbon treatments, but it was worth it to know that I was doing EVERYTHING humanly possible to provide the VERY BEST care I could to my charges. I take this responsibility very seriously! But, I'm a 50 year old Grandfather and Father. I got used to doing things that way!

Salt rookie, if they had eggs, and larvae, they would be on the coral, and the dip wouldnt matter. You'd kill the adults, but the eggs woudl survive. If you can't kill an animal in 1 treatment, you can't kill them in a dip. Thats why the AEFWs are such a pain. You have to scrape the eggs off and repeatedly dip, and if you miss 1 egg, you're back to square one.

I would go find the threads, and the repeated tests with redbugs, but I can't search, so you'll have to do it yourself. They DO NOT have an egg stage, and a single treatment WILL kill them if done correctly.

One of the guys I know in my club had 20 gallon tank with no live rock, just frags, plugs and acros. He'd infect the tank, give it a couple weeks for them to spread, and then do a single interceptor treatment. They were ALWAYS gone permanently.

The problem is that in a reeftank setting, its much more difficult to make sure that each individual bug is getting a sufficient dose. You have to remember that every pod, etc that you kill is absorbing some of the drug.

 

[The DOC]

I have yet to see one PIC of a red bug doing harm to a SPS. I dont sell my coral at this time but if I do I would be sure to treat to keep the pros happy. To Many times in this hobby people say OMG Kill it it is bad!!! Look at Bristle worms a few years ago now every one says keep them they are good!!!! I still say in my tank and many others I have seen red bugs have not caused a problem and in all my searches on RC I am yet again to see one bit of proof that they are eating any thing on the coral. Maby there was somthing in the water causeing the pore PE/color. Just my 2 cents.

I said these exact words for over 2 years! I was proved wrong....I won't say they eat acros....but I will say 100% they irritate many species (not all), to the point of less and less PE, then eventually less and less color....in a couple years of infestation (many times sooner)...a bleached, dead RTN'd colony...all because we thought they weren't hurting anything....I seen it over and over man....If you ever treat its your choice...I'm sure not going to bad talk another reefer for not treating, and not spreading around infested frags....its all good...BUT if you do treat you WILL see a improvment...many others will agree!

Doc

 

[janderson8]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7632741#post7632741 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by The DOC
I said these exact words for over 2 years! I was proved wrong....I won't say they eat acros....but I will say 100% they irritate many species (not all), to the point of less and less PE, then eventually less and less color....in a couple years of infestation (many times sooner)...a bleached, dead RTN'd colony...all because we thought they weren't hurting anything....I seen it over and over man....If you ever treat its your choice...I'm sure not going to bad talk another reefer for not treating, and not spreading around infested frags....its all good...BUT if you do treat you WILL see a improvment...many others will agree!

Doc

DOC

I have a box of interceptor at home right now and the only reason I havnt treated is that I know everything is good know what if I have a total loss??? Hope you all can understand.

 

[The DOC]

If you can't kill an animal in 1 treatment, you can't kill them in a dip.

Man this reefer knows what he's talking about!

Doc

 

[poknsnok]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7632431#post7632431 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by RichConley
Poksnok, its common knowledge at this point. Go back to all the interceptor threads. They all come to this conclusion. The problem is, most people either under treat, or they do carbon treatments too early etc. Its also tough to kill anything in a tank, because if something is in an area with low flow, it doesnt get much of the drug.

The CAN be killed in 1 treatment. Thats the reason dips work. If they couldnt be, all the dipping in the world would be useless.

I have seen most of the threads but I will look again. as a dip I agree it works but you left that part out of your initial post. in a tank is where most hobbyist need to treat, unfortunately. I dont think 1 treatment is universally agreed as being enough. But I am never one to say "Im right and your wrong" I will continue to read and learn

 

[The DOC]

I undertand your reluctancy friend! And its commendable....learn all you can before just dumping poison in your tank....good husbandry friend!

But please trust me and other reefers this interceptor will ONLY hurt crustations....

I've done 10 times the dose straight no carbon removal for 5-8 straight days! Only loss was a green mille...everytime all acros survived great, but just green mille's couldn't handle the high dosages....so normal dose, normal time...and your good to go!

Just always interceptor dip for some hours ALL new corals...acro's or not....

Doc

 

[The DOC]

in a tank is where most hobbyist need to treat, unfortunately.

This is not so...its best to treat ALL acros in a q-tank..leave em there for at least 5 days I recommend 7, and ALL red bugs...I mean 100% of the red buggers will be dead of starvation in the main system...gaurenteed!

But I am never one to say "Im right and your wrong" I will continue to read and learn

Well said reefer! I agree with this statement! We must not boast or be prideful no matter how experienced we are....WE ALL are going to keep learning...

Doc

 

[Ralistin]

You guys may make your own conclusions after looking at these pics.

Infested with red bugs.

15 days later.

 

[Ralistin]

Also to note. I got no growth the 15 days before treatment.

 

[salt-rookie]

janderson8......Fleas don't eat or kill dogs, would you sit and watch your dog claw himself? To ME it is a matter of integrity and good husbandry. But that's just MY 2 cents. And 43 year of experience in aquatic husbandry!

 

[The DOC]

Good call on those last 2 posts !!!!!

Great evidence put forth! I too have seen the same dramatic increase in color after getting red bug free...that not even mentioning the better PE....but better PE...hence better food intake...hence better color...hence better healthier reef!

Right on with the dogs reefer...lol...Its just good husbandry!

Doc

 

[Ralistin]

Larger pics

With red bugs

15 days later

 

[salt-rookie]

A picture is Definitely worth a thousand words.

 

[The DOC]

I hear ya!

Doc

 

[salt-rookie]

Doc...Check PM.

 

[The DOC]

Got it!

Doc

 

[salt-rookie]

Another PM and an email.

 

[clkwrk]

You folks need to chill just because everyone doesn't want jump on the bandwagon .No need to shove the treatment down anothers throat . I have had RB's for well over 2 years . I used to believe RB's killed acros( but I did) , I used to think they were the cause of m y blue acros going brown( I was the cause with my husbandry) I used to think they would eat acros( stupidity)I used to think they stunt growth( again my husbandry)

Here is a question for you red bug experts .......How are these delt with in the wild? Really now ? Why resort to using pet meds in your tank killing things in your tank and rock ect. Really has anyone done real tests as to the effect of interceptor has long term on our tanks ? I doubt it. Really I don't want to clog this thread with pics but you can go into the large tank forum and look for my 180g bb sps thread the proff is their that rbs have no effect on my tank or corals and now I keep blues and anything I want no problem it was all my imagination and my improved husbandry proves it .

BTW I bet I also have more flow than most so in that respect I could very well be skimming my rb's out :lol: Flow is 141x plus a wavebox in a 180.I also have 30-50 acro crabs and breed them .

 

[The DOC]

Why resort to using pet meds in your tank killing things in your tank and rock ect.

Agreed thats why I treated over 100 different acro's in a q-tank....I like you am sure not new to this acro hobby....your pics are awsome! But I think I'm far from shoving this treatment down peoples throats....red bugs havn't hurt you...count it as a blessing...they have me! I'm not an idiot with bad husbandry causing my acros to die...it was red bugs...FACT!

Really has anyone done real tests as to the effect of interceptor has long term on our tanks ? I doubt it.

come on man...you can do better than this...this is what skeptics including myself said over 6 years ago when the treatment came out! Thats 6 years ago...no effects yet.....I doubt that interceptor is going to come back and wipe out ol' Duston Dorton and such out on the 7th year....lets at least be reasonable here....

Look there is NO long term dangers....

Now I have heard the experts claim there may very well be 2 kinds of red bugs...the good and the bad...there both ugly....
maybe thats the whole split in camps on this subject...
I don't know...

But I'm sure not going to knock a reefer producing corals like this!

Question...do you ever sell or trade those red bug infested frags?

Doc