Warner Marine Now Has A Pellet Product

[poolkeeper1]

I had a small amount of Cyano break out in the very first days of EB but nothing real bad, It went away in a week or two on it's own. Try to siphon it out with an airline hose as much as you can, This will help get rid of it. Stirring it up only spreads it all over the tank. Plus is it on a new sandbed as it seems that new sand causes this sometimes?
Bill

 

[snaza]

I had a small amount of Cyano break out in the very first days of EB but nothing real bad, It went away in a week or two on it's own. Try to siphon it out with an airline hose as much as you can, This will help get rid of it. Stirring it up only spreads it all over the tank. Plus is it on a new sandbed as it seems that new sand causes this sometimes?
Bill

Thanks for the reply Bill:beer:

They cyano is getting worse. Very thick and stringy all over my sandbed. half the rocks are covered. Flow is very good in the tank and have cut lights to 6 hours a day. Even in the morning before the lights come on it still on the sandbed. I'll keep syphoning it off but do you think i should take the Ecobak off line til the tank matures?

thanks

Aaron

 

[drummereef]

Thanks for the reply Bill:beer:

They cyano is getting worse. Very thick and stringy all over my sandbed. half the rocks are covered. Flow is very good in the tank and have cut lights to 6 hours a day. Even in the morning before the lights come on it still on the sandbed. I'll keep syphoning it off but do you think i should take the Ecobak off line til the tank matures?

thanks

Aaron

I went through a similar cycle as you it sounds like Aaron. I left my ecoBAK running continuously and things leveled out eventually. As long as it's not effecting the inhabitants of your tank I would just let it cycle as normal.

 

[snaza]

I went through a similar cycle as you it sounds like Aaron. I left my ecoBAK running continuously and things leveled out eventually. As long as it's not effecting the inhabitants of your tank I would just let it cycle as normal.

THanks Brett, How long did this last and did you adjust the pellets flow? did you syphon the cyano out?

thanks

 

[poolkeeper1]

You could try using the Chemiclean to rid the Cyano as it is a bacteria not a true Algae.
I have used the chemiclean in the past without any side effects or harm to any livestock.
Bill

 

[bertoni]

Chemi-Clean has been known to crash tanks. I wouldn't dose it again. The effects tend to be temporary, in any case.

 

[snaza]

You could try using the Chemiclean to rid the Cyano as it is a bacteria not a true Algae.
I have used the chemiclean in the past without any side effects or harm to any livestock.
Bill

Thanks Bill but i'd rather do it the natural way. I'll just keep an eye on it for a new couple weeks. those chemicals always scare me

 

[drummereef]

THanks Brett, How long did this last and did you adjust the pellets flow? did you syphon the cyano out?

thanks

It took a few months to finally beat it. I didn't have the typical red cyano outbreak common for new tanks. There was a little but not much. I had a very stringy long brown algae that was possibly a cyanophyte. I siphoned and pulled out as much as I could along the way, did weekly water changes, and just let time take it's course. After a few months it's all but gone.

 

[aculross]

My EcoBak experience so far . . .

My EcoBak experience so far . . .

I thought I'd add a data point to the discussions.

I have a 120G that has been set-up for about a decade now - my first first in tha tank (a Naso) is still going strong !
Tank started out as a FO with a wet/dry system (remember those?)
I've converted to a FOWLR several years ago and have some shrums and a bubble coral.
Fish include the Naso, a powder blue, a basslet and an emperor anglefish (awesome to watch go from juvenile colors to full adult over the last couple of years)

Anyway about November I did some measurements and found nitrates about 70 and phosphate close to 1 (yikes)

I started running GFO, put a bag of Kent Marine Nitrate reducing materail (zeolit type stuff), and performed more frequent WC.

For the holidays I got some EcoBak and a Hanna phosphate checker

By the end of Dec, nitrates were about 40 and phosphate had gone down to 0.12.

On Jan 1 I started running EcoBak in a TLF 150 reactor.

Last nights readings were nitrates 10 and phosphate 0.07

Phosphates had gone to 0.28 between the removal of the GFO and the "startup" of the EcoBak

So far, so good !

 

[barjam]

Well, I gave ecobak a try and my experience has mostly been negative.

To start with I don't use gfo and my nitrates started at zero on api and phosphates are zero on salifert. I realize neither of these test kits are terribly accurate and I had a bit of green turf algae so I figured I had a decent level of both phosphate and nitrate to work with. Although I have not been able to keep macro algae alive for the past two years or so, still not sure why. I have 65 florescent watts over my refugium (supposed to be equal to like 500 watts of incadescent) so light shouldn't be an issue.

So three months ago I put in a batch of ecobak and didn't really see much of a change (a bit more skim and it is more stinky). I had the outflow of the pellets directed directly at the input the skimmer. About three weeks ago I rearanged my sump a bit and decided to move the outflow into the refugium area. I figured it wouldn't make *that* big of a difference.

I was wrong, within 48 hours I lost a *huge* rose millepora (rtn) and I had cyano on everything. This is my first sps/acro coral loss since starting the hobby. Up until this point I had never had any issues with cyano in my tank either (other than the initial cycle many years ago).

The only positive, I guess, is that some hydno I had low in the tank greened up a bit (usually it runs kinda pale) and one other green acro is slightly more green now.

 

[DZs]

It took a few months to finally beat it. I didn't have the typical red cyano outbreak common for new tanks. There was a little but not much. I had a very stringy long brown algae that was possibly a cyanophyte. I siphoned and pulled out as much as I could along the way, did weekly water changes, and just let time take it's course. After a few months it's all but gone.

How long was it after the cycling of your tank and at what week had the pellets been in at?

 

[DZs]

Well, I gave ecobak a try and my experience has mostly been negative.

To start with I don't use gfo and my nitrates started at zero on api and phosphates are zero on salifert. I realize neither of these test kits are terribly accurate and I had a bit of green turf algae so I figured I had a decent level of both phosphate and nitrate to work with. Although I have not been able to keep macro algae alive for the past two years or so, still not sure why. I have 65 florescent watts over my refugium (supposed to be equal to like 500 watts of incadescent) so light shouldn't be an issue.

So three months ago I put in a batch of ecobak and didn't really see much of a change (a bit more skim and it is more stinky). I had the outflow of the pellets directed directly at the input the skimmer. About three weeks ago I rearanged my sump a bit and decided to move the outflow into the refugium area. I figured it wouldn't make *that* big of a difference.

I was wrong, within 48 hours I lost a *huge* rose millepora (rtn) and I had cyano on everything. This is my first sps/acro coral loss since starting the hobby. Up until this point I had never had any issues with cyano in my tank either (other than the initial cycle many years ago).

The only positive, I guess, is that some hydno I had low in the tank greened up a bit (usually it runs kinda pale) and one other green acro is slightly more green now.

Sorry to read about your loss.
What size tank, bio load and how much pellets were you using?


Thanks

 

[reefkt]

By the end of Dec, nitrates were about 40 and phosphate had gone down to 0.12.

On Jan 1 I started running EcoBak in a TLF 150 reactor.

Last nights readings were nitrates 10 and phosphate 0.07

Phosphates had gone to 0.28 between the removal of the GFO and the "startup" of the EcoBak

So far, so good !

:thumbsup:
Wow!
That's fast

 

[drummereef]

How long was it after the cycling of your tank and at what week had the pellets been in at?

Here's the chronology...

Tank start up: 4-25-2010
First Algae Bloom: 7-16-2010
Added ecoBAK: 8-25-2010
Algae cycle end: 12-1-2010

The first cycle was pretty massive. Long slimy brown hair-like algae covering everything. After that subsided a couple weeks later there was a second small bloom that only lasted a couple weeks. Since then the tank has been 97% algae free. There's still a little stuff in the sand bed but I can tell it's diminishing rapidly. Side note... I started with a completely sterile system. I used dry sand and only Marco Rock to start the tank. I added 2 cups of live sand purchased from Premium Aquatics to help cycle the system. A few months ago I started dosing MB7 as I thought it would help kick start the ecoBAK and just help balance the system in general. From my experience it has helped greatly. I should have dosed from the beginning but hind sight is 20/20.

 

[DZs]

I started running GFO, put a bag of Kent Marine Nitrate reducing materail (zeolit type stuff), and performed more frequent WC.

For the holidays I got some EcoBak and a Hanna phosphate checker

By the end of Dec, nitrates were about 40 and phosphate had gone down to 0.12.

On Jan 1 I started running EcoBak in a TLF 150 reactor.

Last nights readings were nitrates 10 and phosphate 0.07

Phosphates had gone to 0.28 between the removal of the GFO and the "startup" of the EcoBak

So far, so good !

Right on :thumbsup:

I'm right behind you EB 1/6/2011, tank 5/2010

 

[barjam]

Sorry to read about your loss.
What size tank, bio load and how much pellets were you using?


Thanks

90, 500ml.

 

[DZs]

Long slimy brown hair-like algae covering everything.

Thanks for clarifying that the pellets wasn't in your system durning that time and your new tank statis Bret.

 

[drummereef]

Thanks for clarifying that the pellets wasn't in your system durning that time and your new tank statis Bret.

No problem Donna. I will say, the Marco Rock was obviously exporting a ton of phosphate which intern was fueling the massive algae bloom I had. With this, I do believe the ecoBAK really kept the nutrient levels under control as to date I have undetectable NO3 and PO4. If I hadn't been running ecoBAK during these cycles I would presume all that excess nutrient would have been bound up in the system and had caused major long-term issues. I was running some GFO and Carbon during the process which I'm sure helped as well.

 

[tegee]

Brett.....do you still use GFO? And, I believe you stated either here or in your build thread that you added the ecoBk very slowing; 25% at a time over a couple of weeks.....does that sound right? If so, would you recommend dosing and/or adding the pellets that slow for someone like myself that may begin using them?

Many thx......

 

[drummereef]

Brett.....do you still use GFO? And, I believe you stated either here or in your build thread that you added the ecoBk very slowing; 25% at a time over a couple of weeks.....does that sound right? If so, would you recommend dosing and/or adding the pellets that slow for someone like myself that may begin using them?

Many thx......

Yes, but I'm in the process of removing the GFO from the system. Each time I replace the GFO I'm using less and less as to not shock the system, so hopefully over the next few months I'll only be running ecoBAK and Carbon. I added my ecoBAK over 3 weeks. 50% for the first week and 25% for weeks 2 and 3. I think it helped to avoid a bacteria bloom but others have had success with just dumping it all in. I'm using 1L.