Waterfall Turf Algea Filter: CHEAP and EASY to build

[Tang Salad]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13314863#post13314863 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by SantaMonica
By the way, I have the following people blocked, so I can't see their posts:

One Dumm Hikk
Vitz
miwoodar
UrbanSage
Tang Salad

You guys wanna hear something funny? When Santa Monica began this thread, he sent me a PM requesting my input!

Yes, he invited me here to discuss this thread!

It seems he respected my opinion only prior to finding out that my opinion doesn't agree with his.

Irony like this makes it all worthwhile. :lol:

 

[Tang Salad]

Anyway I'm sorry this thread turned so nasty. If any newcomers are interested in this idea they should start a new thread with a specific question. As we (those on SM's ban list) have said all along, this idea is not without merits. It just doesn't have the merits that SM claims.

 

[UrbanSage]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13316394#post13316394 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Tang Salad
You guys wanna hear something funny? When Santa Monica began this thread, he sent me a PM requesting my input!

Yes, he invited me here to discuss this thread!

It seems he respected my opinion only prior to finding out that my opinion doesn't agree with his.

Irony like this makes it all worthwhile. :lol:

Same here

 

[vitz]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13315696#post13315696 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by navipro1
I tried it on 1 of my tanks which always had hair algae problem, I have a refugium for the system but never worked that well, after I implemented this similar idea, most of my hair algae problem is gone and I can really feed my corals / fish more now and run the lights for a longer photo period, I was sceptical at first but decided to give it a try, I'm glad I did, its now paying off BIG TIME!

have you eliminated the actual root cause/problem, or merely relocated the symptom that indicates there is a problem ?

btw-length of photoperiod is not NEARLY as important as what you provide during the photoperiod-corals need no more than about 8 hours/day of proper lighting to be at their best

extending a photoperiod does nothing, for the most part, other than to provide excess photons available for algaes, etc (i.e.-12 hours of bad light will not make a photosynthetic critter do better than 8 hours of proper light )

 

[miwoodar]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13316394#post13316394 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Tang Salad
You guys wanna hear something funny? When Santa Monica began this thread, he sent me a PM requesting my input!

Yes, he invited me here to discuss this thread!

It seems he respected my opinion only prior to finding out that my opinion doesn't agree with his.

Irony like this makes it all worthwhile. :lol:

Me too. We swapped a few PMs wherein I recommended that he do more research into this and other methods before pushing turf so hard. :lol:

Agreed, sucks this thread kind of got out of hand.

I gotta say....my ATS system was pretty damn cool too but I never got around to actually discussing it amidst all of the spin. It had two square feet of screen with a 5.5K 175 watt MH in a DIY tank I built into my canopy. It would surge ten gallons into a reef wall at the far end of the display about twice per minute. I was sooo friggin excited about the ATS method I started construction on the canopy before I even finished the book all the while totally strapped on a college budget. I abandoned the Jaubert approach, which was all the rage at the time, to install the ATS. If you're reading this and you are wondering if you should investigate Jaubert reefing...don't bother. Think elevated deep sand bed with claims of zero calcium and alkalinity supplementation. Uhm, it doesn't quite work like that unless you aren't really growing any corals. It can be a functioning DSB though. Hmmm, anyone want to discuss the merits of DSB versus SSB versus BB?



------edit------Darn, I edit too much.
Forgot to mention...I went to school about an hour away from Terra Haute, Indiana. My brother (also a reefer then and now) and I walked through Inland Aquatic's doors before the paint even dried. That place was brand new spick and span. I would love to make a trip back to see how it looks these days.

 

[Tang Salad]

Lol, that's great. Funny how the PM List became the Non Grata List.

Thanks for sharing your story. I loved it. I really look up to guys like yourself and Vitz, having worked through all the developments I've only read about. Some of the old methods are still very interesting. Someday I'd like to set myself up a huge DSB/refugium/mangrove/turf/whatever "natural" (< ) tank. I'll stock it heavy and feed it heavy and never do WCs...it'll be great. But I won't be expecting .02 on the phosphates.

I don't suppose you have any old photos of your setups back then? We could add them to SMs gallery.

 

[SantaMonica]

Here's the first reader that made use of the sump Version 3. Very neat... no extra space needed. As long as you keep the sump level low enough, you get full use of the screen space:

 

[miwoodar]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13316965#post13316965 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Tang Salad
Lol, that's great. Funny how the PM List became the Non Grata List.

Thanks for sharing your story. I loved it. I really look up to guys like yourself and Vitz, having worked through all the developments I've only read about. Some of the old methods are still very interesting. Someday I'd like to set myself up a huge DSB/refugium/mangrove/turf/whatever "natural" (< ) tank. I'll stock it heavy and feed it heavy and never do WCs...it'll be great. But I won't be expecting .02 on the phosphates.

I don't suppose you have any old photos of your setups back then? We could add them to SMs gallery.

I kick myself - no photos! Not a single one. No camera. No film. At that point in time I was spending every penny I had on reefing and ramen. I stole my pencils from my roommates so I could lay out design ideas while daydreaming through class. The first photos I ever took of my tanks were in 98 and I took them with the purpose of putting them in front of potential maintenance clients.

LOL on trying different methods. Time goes quick. I can't believe it's been this long already. And to top that, the more I learn the more it becomes apparent that I need to learn more.

Doesn't PaulB have a turf tray? IIRC, he chimed in a few times earlier in this thread. His tank has been up what, 35 years? That's the longest personal aquarium I can think of. Last time I checked he was even continuing to run a reverse flow UG! And moorish idols! I think his success has to do with the fact that he gives his fish beer from the can though. PaulB, are you lurking? Talk about a place to go for some perspective....
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/printthread.php?s=&threadid=993712&perpage=297

 

[UrbanSage]

by miwoodar
So, being that I'm not an organic chemist, I'll try not to understand much further beyond food and non-food, primarily because there is really no risk in using the system. N and P either drop, or they don't, and if they don't you through the bucket away. I know N and P are not the only remainder from rotting, but they are the only ones we can easily test for and try to control directly. The others I'll leave to the researchers/manufacturers who may want to market these things.

Having this type of attitude clearly is a benefit when you are trying to hype a product. Anyone feels like invading Iraq again? I promise it is a good idea this time around!!! (Not a new argument, just trying to paint a picture, no offense meant.)


Here another person lets SantaMonica know that in his experiments, impellars doesn't do hardly any damage to pods.
This is mentioned because SantaMonica calls out his filter benefit of not damaging pods in pumps.

by miwoodar
Good to hear another case of this. My own setup seems to agree. But of course I need to explain the filter aspects to the folks that believe otherwise.

So essentially, SantaMonica here above clearly states that he knowingly provides false information simply to change people opinions.

More of the same found here:
http://www.saltwaterfish.com/vb/showthread.php?t=330606

And just to state that I am all for the filter. I have a 75g fuge hooked up to my tank as well as a 20g mangrove tank. I hugely believe in algae filters. BUT not as a 100% replacement for any/all other type of filtration.

Give SantaMonica a year to actually show what his tank will look like.
Calling anything running for a month including start up phase is ridiculous.

And I can not believe a person is getting away with spamming every single thread worldwide with his propaganda.

 

[One Dumm Hikk]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13314863#post13314863 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by SantaMonica
By the way, I have the following people blocked, so I can't see their posts:

One Dumm Hikk
Vitz
miwoodar
UrbanSage
Tang Salad


So if you have a question about anything they write, post it on the thread and I'll answer.

I don't know whether to be flattered or ****ed. Flattered that I made the list, but ****ed that I didn't get a PM first

oh well, guess that means he won't be able to answer my questions about zooanthids and clams. If someone could be so kind to inform him, two questions for him:

1) What is the effect of zero nitrates on zooanthids? Zooanthids seem to be one of the top-ranked "beginner" corals and beginners seem to be what he is attempting to target with the bucket.

2) What is the effect of running a algae filter on a clam?

 

[miwoodar]

UrbanSage - I think you attached my name to SantaMonica's words! People are going to start calling me names!

Tang - your mention of a mangrove filter reminds me....I still want to try one of those some day. If only I had a house that would let me plumb a nice mangrove lagoon into my system. Maybe some day. It would be a neat setup to play with.

 

[SantaMonica]

How about this one for sturdy construction. He does not even have to put the screen in the slot (he used holes instead). Seems a common technique now is to have some kind of frame to lift the screen out of the sump. Works good, as long as the flow is kept reasonable.

 

[miwoodar]

Nice pics Ms Farrish. That's actually a fairly clean design. It looks nice anyways.

 

[Putawaywet]

Santa Monica

I truly sympathize with you how frustrating it must be that not everyone is declaring your ideas as the greatest thing since sliced bread. Or, that several heated dialogues have opened up that question the soundness of your methods or designs. It's obvious that you feel strongly about your idea. And righteously so. But threads have a life of their own. It's the nature of the beast.

But with that said, DO NOT, and I repeat, DO NOT, ever personally email me again with a hit list of "Bozos" that you have marked as trouble makers on your post asking me to report them to the moderators. Because homeboy don't play that game son.

If you want to play in the sandbox then you need to understand that every once in a while your underwear is going to chafe from some misplaced sand.

Brett

 

[SantaMonica]

Ok homeboy

 

[tmz]

I do not wan't that type of pm either. if I think I should attack or report someone I'm not shy about doing it. It's unfortunate this discission has become acrimoniuos. I did not mind your initial pm inviting comment but find your latest pm encouraging me to report others or to attack them offensive. Actually I'd prefer it if you didn't send me anymore pms at all.

 

[SantaMonica]

No one said attack them.

 

[tmz]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13317670#post13317670 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by One Dumm Hikk
I don't know whether to be flattered or ****ed. Flattered that I made the list, but ****ed that I didn't get a PM first

oh well, guess that means he won't be able to answer my questions about zooanthids and clams. If someone could be so kind to inform him, two questions for him:

1) What is the effect of zero nitrates on zooanthids? Zooanthids seem to be one of the top-ranked "beginner" corals and beginners seem to be what he is attempting to target with the bucket.

2) What is the effect of running a algae filter on a clam? [/QUOT
I do not intend to pass messages like a school kid but here is my opinion on your questions.

Zoanthus. are a high reef animal and grow well in low nutrient high light zones and moderate to high flow. They may tolerate higher levels of nutrients and less light which is why they are touted by some as a beginer coral but will fare better in low nutrients comparable with the upper reef.

Clams may or may not get enough nutrients depending on how efficient the aglae filter really is.

 

[SantaMonica]

The Power Of Light.

Here's an interesting growth sequence. This fellow started out with just a low power NO tube, on one side. After switching to a 23W CFL, things changed:

 

[Matt_Wandell]

Have any pictures of tanks using ATS filtration with no skimming and stony coral growth been posted in any of these threads?