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"On the substrate balancing out, what did you mean? "
As you add sea grass you will naturally get a slew of other sea life, as I did with the macro's I added. I always like to see what pops up and decides it likes to live in the environment we create. In your case, with the dirt and mud not normally used in a reef tank, who knows what will show up for the party and decide to move in.
 
Ah hah! Thanks lapin!

You're right, I definitely want a slew of other sea life. I've gotten all kinds of hitchhikers 'n stuff on different plants - even other plants! I got at least four different plants this way, that just popped up and started growing. Lot's of pods and worms too. What would really be awesome to get is a few micro brittle stars. They're great detrivores that also reproduce.

I expect that most critters will come in with the live rock, live sand and live mud I have planned. But I'll take it where I can get it!
 
I have a bunch of yellow sponge in my tank, probably from some of the 13 year old pieces of live rock. Would definitely send you some if I thought it would survive the trip. Heck, I find pieces buried in the sand sometimes and they are fine. So who knows??
 
That's cool, McPuff. Those sound like hardy sponges! I'm hoping to get some with my live rock order. I got a good amount last time.

Everything good with your tank? How about an update/FTS? I need a fix from the best aquascape out there!

Speaking of aquascaping, now seems as good a time as any to talk about my upcoming aquascape. It will be greatly simplified, compared to v1. There will be no DSB planter or fake mangrove root. It will be more of a whole tank deep sand bed. I expect the right end of the tank to get shallower because of the current at that end. There will be a live rock 'island' roughly where the fake root was. This is where I'll plant the few red macros I plan to keep. The rest of the bed I want filled with seagrass. In v1 there was maybe 1/3 seagrass coverage. In v2 I'm hoping to get around 3/4 coverage. Now that I have confidence I can keep them alive, I want more!

The DSB planter was cool, and avoided the ant farm look, but it also provided a hard surface for runaway macro growth. This time around, if any of them want to go nuts, they'll have to set up shop on the fake walls. There are a few greens I'll let grow amongst the grass, like tufted joint algae. So the overall look I'm going for is ninety percent green, ten percent red. I've seen this done in fresh water tanks and I love it.

I know the DSB planter and fake root really distinguished my tank from others, but I'm looking forward to the new look. There is a chance I may be able to bring the root back, or even sculpt a new one, but for now I'm going to do without.
 
I buffed out my viewing panels today. My arms are like overcooked pasta right now. Quite the workout. If I'm not mistaken, that was the last difficult project I had to do before the fun stuff. Oh yeah!
 
I've been researching (and re-reading) anything I can find on manatee grass. Everything I've found seems to support what I've found in previous efforts. One exception is optimal salinity. I'm finding a lot of variation. In one article, full, natural sea water levels (35ppt) were considered optimal. In another 25ppt was considered best. One suggested a range of 24-35ppt, another 17-44ppt. I calculated averages of those to 29.5 and 30.5, which would average 30ppt. In v1 I kept it at 25ppt. I'm tempted to bump it up to 27-30.

It's tricky because there so much overlap with turtle grass. They often occupy the same beds, with turtle grass eventually taking over, known as succession. So it's not clear if manatee grass actually prefers lower salinity, or it can survive it better and avoid turtle grass competition.

Ideally, I could experiment with different salinities to reach my own conclusions. But in my experience with these slow growers, it is difficult to know what factors are affecting them. For example, this time around I plan to start out with a much more fertile substrate. Starting out with a different salinity as well makes it difficult to know which factor has more effect.

This is where the scientific method should come in handy, changing only one variable at a time. I have found it difficult balancing the priorities of the scientific method with the priorities of keeping a nice aquarium. I guess I could try a month to month experiment, after a short set up period.
 
One thing about the fake root, is that you can install it in your tank any time, whether you restore the old one or make a new one. I liked the realistic effect that it had on your tank, especially the photos through the root from the side of your tank, and the transition from light to dark. Even with the live rock island, if you decide to add one later, it may look even more realistic than before. That said, the tank concept doesn't require it, it's merely a cosmetic feature that can be dealt with at any time, or not at all. Your critters and macros won't care at all. It will be an interesting tank for sure!
 
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I think the root needs a comeback. Nix the powerhead and build a new one or fix the mold one. The brown root contrasted the grasses and added a nice dimension to the overall look.

I still think you should put a real mangrove in there. Lol

Bring it back! [emoji51]
 
I really liked the fake mangrove root as well for the same reasons Kevin mentioned. I also agree that with your primary vision for the tank that it is not necessary. It lent an amazing aesthetic look to your old tank that was truly unique! I loved it.
 
Thanks Kevin, Sam and Dawn, for your input on the fake root!

It was a unique decoration that set my tank apart. I thought I had repaired it sufficiently to bring it back, but I don't anymore. Perhaps I should take what I learned from the first one and build a new one.

Remember, I built it as a solution to a problem - to hide a powerhead. With the addition of the wave box, I doubt I need that powerhead any longer. But we'll see. Once I get the tank up and running again, I'll evaluate the water movement situation. If I see a need for it, I'll likely bring it back.

Building a new one without the powerhead would greatly simplify it, and make it's construction a lot easier. It would be nice to build it all in one piece as well. The attachment points were a real pain and I could've done a better job with them.

You guys have given me a lot to think about. I like the idea of starting up without it and seeing if I miss it/need it later. That will give me the chance to focus on the fun part of firing up the ecosystem first, then considering how I might bring it back. Right now I'm all DIYed out, and I just want my tank back again!
 
I know what you mean, all DIYed out.

The root idea parallels what I want to do with my stream tank (that I've been procrastinating on), as does the DIYed out part of it. I decided to go ahead and set my tank up without my DIY faux sycamore roots. I'm still putting that off though, LOL. In my FW set up, the roots will serve the purpose of hiding the powerhead and provide fish cover, and also enhance the biotope look.
 
My sand came today! So I'm like "what's stopping me from getting the party started?" Dirt. I need more dirt. So I went out in the yard and dug some up. I picked out some of the roots and pine straw, so I guess its good to go. Here's a couple of quick pics:

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From left to right, fine, coarse and medium. I have four more bags of the fine stuff.


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Dirt.

This clearly isn't the thread to geek out on Apex goodies and starship enterprise wiring. But we have dirt, baby! Oh, I also got a 50 pound bag of silica sand. Substrate party coming soon!
 
My sand came today! So I'm like "what's stopping me from getting the party started?" Dirt. I need more dirt. So I went out in the yard and dug some up. I picked out some of the roots and pine straw, so I guess its good to go. Here's a couple of quick pics:

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From left to right, fine, coarse and medium. I have four more bags of the fine stuff.


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Dirt.

This clearly isn't the thread to geek out on Apex goodies and starship enterprise wiring. But we have dirt, baby! Oh, I also got a 50 pound bag of silica sand. Substrate party coming soon!

O wow, this is so cool!
 
Thanks Dawn! I always thought you were down to earth, unlike Kevin, who's clearly from the dark side of the moon…

I think I have everything I need to start the sand bed, except the live sand, mud and rock. Those can come a bit later. I do have a ton of worms I can add. Since I don't have seagrass yet, I'm thinking I'll go ahead and build the substrate with what I have and maybe put just enough water in to submerge it. Hmm. On the other hand, it would be nice to go ahead and fill up the tank. That way I could leak test the plumbing and finally see if the wave pump lives up to the hype. I'm kind of terrified it won't. There's bound to be at least one more project revealed. Maybe I'll get lucky and everything will work just fine.

I do think I need to lower the height of the metal halide lamp. I had raised it up to alleviate some of the heat transfer to the water. Now it looks like the spread is a little bigger than I want. I need the right end of the tank to be a little shadier, for the red macros I have planned.

Another good reason to fill up the tank is I could put the barnacle blennies in, and free up the QT for the next round of fishies. Of course now my funds are getting low…
 
Dirt! I love it. This is going to be awesome. What fish do you have left?

Of course now my funds are getting low…

Happens to me this time of year too :headwally:

I love the Pink Floyd references :) Although I like Pink Floyd, was from my era, my younger Brother was a huge fan. I'm more of a metal head...kinda weird, at my old age!
 
Yep, good ol' dirt. It really highlights the differences between seagrass tanks and reef tanks. Also, I guess it shows my confidence in this methodology. By the way, I didn't come up with this. I am following some folks much smarter than me.

When I started up v1, I thought it would be a good idea to incorporate dirt, to more closely replicate Nature. But I was persuaded otherwise, that the reality of aquarium upkeep necessitated compromise, so I used a much reduced amount of dirt, and waited. And waited. It took roughly a year for my substrate to dirty up well enough to support seagrass growth. I grew bolder and added black, stinky mud. My tank didn't crash or turn into pea soup. It flourished.

This time around, I have no fear. Seagrasses prefer to uptake nutrients through their roots, just like other higher plants. They prefer soft, muddy sand, and low nutrient water. I plan to give it to them. I expect the seagrasses will flourish much quicker. Keep in mind though, if I wasn't keeping seagrass, just macro algae, I probably wouldn't bother with dirt, since macros don't have roots, and take up nutrients from the water exclusively.

I'm convinced that, although our glass boxes are artificial constructs, Nature doesn't care, and is ready and willing to do most of the heavy lifting for us. We just need to provide the necessary ingredients and get out of the way!

Woo! You just never know when I'll whip out the soapbox and pontificate!

OK Kevin, where was I? Oh yeah, fish. I have six mollies, five barnacle blennies, one springer's damsel and one royal gramma left. Also I have a fighting conch, a cucumber and hundreds of mini strombus snails and spaghetti worms. I have a few red macro fragments and two shoal grass shoots, which I'm guessing are connected. Last but not least, I have one peppermint shrimp, that managed to wipe out hundreds of aiptasias in my holding tank.

Yeah, it sucks to run low on cash, just when I need it. But it will force me to be patient, and particular, and cheap.

Dark Side of the Moon was a brilliant album, and I enjoyed many a headphone session, but like you, my tastes went elsewhere. These days, I like to listen to music and stare at my tank!
 
Great post Michael, thank you. It really gets me thinking about what I want out of version 2 of my system. I'd love to have some eel grass. If I decide to go that route, then I may do the same thing with my substrate.
 
My husband also still loves 'the Floydster' as he likes to kindly refer to them. Me...I never was much of a fan. Too psychedelic for my tastes. I am just good old fashion classic rock. Now a days I listen to the likes of 'Skillet'.

Back to topic, I am interested in how the grasses will do. I wasn't planning on incorporating grasses in my future tank but ya never know. This whole substrate with dirt and mud really intrigues me and I am fascinated by it. Keep the conversation coming!
 
hahahahha Sid Barret was a bit psychedelic i guess.
Michael a good thing about this time of year and money. Sales are everywhere.
Looks like its coming together. All it wants is water for xmas.
 
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