Well-fed mandarin losing weight? Internal parasites?

foshizzle

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My mandarin has lost weight over the 4 months I've had him. He is housed in a 3+ year old 120g DT and cruises the tank all day picking at pods. The only indicator of poor health I can see is his declining weight.

All I can think of is internal parasites. Any treatment suggestions?
 
My mandarin has lost weight over the 4 months I've had him. He is housed in a 3+ year old 120g DT and cruises the tank all day picking at pods. The only indicator of poor health I can see is his declining weight.

All I can think of is internal parasites. Any treatment suggestions?

What other fish are in the tank?
 
as most of the others here are getting at, it's likely run out of pods. could be due to competition from a more voracious eater, the mandarin itself could have wiped out all the pods, or theres some other reason the pod population dipped. Mandarins have an odd digestive system that basically requires them to eat somewhat constantly(akin to hummingbirds but not to such a ridiculous degree.) and the fish is notorious for slowly wasting away when held in an environment that cannot accommodate it's feeding habits.

Cant say definitely without more info on the tank, and Internal parasites isnt entirely out of the realm of possibility. But more than likely its an issue with the mandarin not getting proper nutrition for some reason or other.
 
Where is he loosing weight?
If it is getting a "knife back" while having a fat belly I would say internal parasites or worse some infection or damage of internal organs.

It could also be a late effect of cyanide poisoning.
Back in the early days of saltwater aquariums (70s & 80s) many fish, especially from the Philippines, where caught with cyanides. Most would survive and recover, but some that got a higher concentration at the center of dispersal would not gain any weight and slowly waste away while eating and initially looking healthy. This is due to serious damage to internal organs, most notably the liver.
Unfortunately cyanide is still used to catch fish: Cyanide: an easy but deadly way to catch fish

As for mandarins: I had quite a few in the past and hardly ever any problems with them. Most were eating like pigs and even outcompete other fish in the hunt for live and frozen food.
Right now I have a pair of mandarins in a 25 gallon tank and they are doing fine. When I got them two months ago especially the female was very skinny but both gained weight fairly quickly and now they are even spawning. I feed a mix of live and frozen food and they are much better at getting to it than my gobies or the stupid percula (which prefer pellets over anything else).

One of the key things to keep picking fish like mandarins well fed is to have the right rock and gravel in the tank. Manmade live rock, while looking ok and having lots of big holes for housing small fish are not good for giving enough shelter to pods due to their lack of porosity. Real live rock is much better (the best and most porous is Mediterranean live rock - though impossible to get in the US). Another good way to keep a reservoir of pods and other small crustacean is coarse coral gravel at the bottom of the tank. I have an about one inch thick layer that is crawling with life: copepods, amphipods, isopods, even Mysis. You won't get that with fine sand...
 
I realize lack of food is the usual answer but if my tank can't sustain him none can. I have 100+ lbs of rock, course sand, and a 40g refugium with chaeto and pod piles. Pods and flatworms are visible crawling all over the glass and I even moved him to the refugium to eliminate competition. He picks at the substrate every few seconds.

His belly never looks fat and his sides and back have sunken showing skeleton
 
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