Well I killed one more

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10215067#post10215067 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by nashorn
Watermelon are easy.Just frag the one I have.Hard ones are Elegance,Goniopora,gorgonians and Carnations.these are some of the difficulty one but as long as the industry sell them why should I try to keep them alive.Who know someone may discovery their sercet to their care.Could be me :eek2:

Sure it could be you. The question is, what are you trying that is different from what others have tried and failed and what have you done differently each time you purchased a new one? If the answer is nothing or that you don't know what others have tried, I would urge you to stop purchasing those corals.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10215653#post10215653 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by bookfish
One idea would be to try and talk to the local who has already discovered "the secret".
O.K. who has the secret?
 
Anyone know where the Elegance thread is? You guys are right:p I'll read up more about how to keep them before attemping to keep one again.Glad to see so many with out sin out there:D
 
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sorry to hear about this coral dying for the 20th time. i know it's tempting to buy beautiful things in the shop but if you have a proven track record of death with them, why not just let it be. by not buying it you help to break the cycle of replacement (in theory). and as some have mentioned, with the money spent 20 times, you could have easily bought a tank raised one, or donated the money to coral research, habitat preservation, or scuba certification courses....

anyway, not to make you feel more guilty, but please do yourself, other reefers, and the environment a favor and don't ever ever buy another wildcaught specimen.

much love,

judas aka darcy (or my favorite, harvey keitel)
 
This is my first time in this forum. I am not a member of your club but I was asked to come here by Norman, AKA Mr.Ugly.

These corals are among some of the most endangered animals we keep in our aquariums today. They are already extinct throughout much of their natural habitat. It is my opinion that each individual Elegance coral is priceless at this point. Not just from a hobbiests point of view, but should be from anyones that cares for the animals we share this planet with. I can not explain what it does to me to hear stories like this. Truly, truly sad.

The link Mr. Ugly posted to my theory is a little out dated. I have done a great deal more research since I posted it. I didn't want to post anything at the time, but was talked into posting prematurely by some well meaning hobbiests. I have a much better understanding of what these corals are going through at this point.

Wayland, I am not here to come down on you or to flame you in any way. If its any consolation, I have killed 4 over the past year and a half or so myself. I was doing research into this problem and putting these corals in harms way on purpose. This didn't stop me from feeling like crap every time one of these corals died in my care. If your heart is set on owning an Elegance coral you will have to set up a different system for it. If you look at the pic posted by PV1191 you will see that the lighting is not all that strong. I don't know what kind of lights this person has on their tank, but judging from the health of the Elegance, the expansion of the shrooms above it, and the lack of algae growth I would assume that the lights are not all that strong. The lights on your system are most likely much stronger than this. This is why they can keep one healthy and you are having such a hard time with this. Please don't buy any more Elegance corals for your tank. If you bought 100 more and put them in that tank one by one they would all die. I can understand wanting an Elegance coral. If there were no Elegance corals I most likely would not be in this hobby. If you are serious about keeping one, I will do everything in my power to help you keep it alive and healthy. This would mean setting up a new system for the coral. I have people here on this sight and others that PM me to get help with their corals. You can feel free to do the same if you like. I would be more than happy to help.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10213898#post10213898 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by gsellers1245
if you are looking for another one :
eleg2.JPG

www.elitereef.com click on australian corals, i would strongly suggest finding the cause of death for the others before going to the next one

SOLD SORRY
there's one more though
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10214978#post10214978 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by nashorn
"let he who is without sin, cast the first stone"
:)

Depends on the sin. :D

In this case, I don't think I have ever bought a coral, had it die, and repeat 20 times.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10221225#post10221225 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Thales
Depends on the sin. :D

In this case, I don't think I have ever bought a coral, had it die, and repeat 20 times.
This go with anything alive in your tank.Sorry not just corals:)
 
I don't think I have killed one of anything in my tank then gone on to do it 20 more times to more specimens of the same animal. :D
 
I hate to admit it but I just realized I've done it 12 times with the same Animal. I can't do peppermint shrimps. Cleaning shrimps not a problem; peppermints apparently have an aversion to my tank.

-Adrian

I half hope to peek in one night and find them all alive partying with the Aiptasia.
 
Hmmm... not an acclimation problem with the peppermints? I'm told they are sensitive to s.g. changes, and they have to be acclimated very slowly.
 
I had some bad luck with peppermints a while back also. I kept on dropping pairs in my tank (they are not that cheap in LFS), and would disappear the next day. I think I put in total of 8 peppermints in the tank, and still did not see a trace of them. Then one night I took a flashlight to the tank in the middle of the night, and there I saw at least 5 of these red things running all over the rock, and it almost scared the Jesus out of me :D. Now half a year later, I still see at least 2 to 3 large ones zooming around (bad news for my aptiasia). I believe larger ones have better chance to survive, especially if you have a large mystery wrasse and a mean six line.

Talking about sin, I have to admit that I had at least 20 astrea snails died (honestly, I did not count) in the tank in the last one and half a year into this hobby, and I am still adding new astreas today. But for some reason, their dying rate is much lower nowadays than before, maybe because I am running BB and the bottom is crowded with frags, and it is easy for them to grab hold of something when they flip over.
 
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I do see a difference between broadcast spawners like shrimp and snails and a coral that takes years to grow. :D That said, the whole idea of adding massive numbers of clean up crew is an idea that sadly just won't die.
 
never had problems with peps or cleaner shrimp... snails are a different story... I've had better results with putting them at the waters edge and letting them go down to the water on their own.... never lost one since then ( even with drip acc. ) fish also a different story for me
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10224523#post10224523 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Thales
I do see a difference between broadcast spawners like shrimp and snails and a coral that takes years to grow. :D That said, the whole idea of adding massive numbers of clean up crew is an idea that sadly just won't die.

I also see a difference and I feel the same way.

I've noticed that my tank is doing fine with the few beefy and long time resident astreas/hermits/ceriths that I have. I'm never going to maintain the large populations that seem to be recommended everywhere. I'll always have a few just because I like to have them in the tank for variation. My kids like the Hermits a lot otherwise I don't think I'd have them at all.



Tonggao I've heard similar stories before about these shrimps but I haven't spotted any at night.

Mr Ugly I put them in a small clean bucket with their bag water and use a drip to add water over maybe an hour.

-Adrian
 
It funny/sad because the large populations of clean up crews are recommended by places selling clean up crews. If you follow most of the people who buy large numbers, you find massive die offs in the first six months of the tank. That makes sense - once the rock slows down it shedding, there isn't much generated for all those mouths to eat.
 
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