Why do clownfish breeders wait a few nest to collect eggs?

Lou Young

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I have been reading/researching/ and getting ready to do clownfish breeding and have not found a clear answer of why breeders wait for their new pairs to lay a few nests before they start collecting the eggs. Does anyone know why it's suggested to wait a few nest before you start collecting? Are their potential health issues?
Thanks Lou
 
The only thing I know of is normally the first few have a low survival rate so they just wait until they have a greater likelihood of a high survival rate.
 
Has anyone breed the first few nests and compared the health/survival rates against later nests? I would love to see some data on that.
 
This forum is filled with those reports, but I doubt anyone put it into a spreadsheet to illustrate it. First few you are lucky to get more then a couple handful through.

By all means have at the first nest, but do be aware you'll not get much return on all your hard work, and the cost per fish will be MUCH greater.

Case and point. I helped a local that just got his first clutch through. He got 5 fish through meta. 5!
 
Thank you for the advice. I appreciate it. That makes sense. Worse case scenario is that I guess it could be good practice for me :)
 
That's why the local I was talking about did it :) His fish are now on there 3rd nest which is larger then the second. I'll ask him if he's got pics.
 
Oh that would be great. I would really like to see pics and any advice/suggestions he got from the few batches so far. Thanks again.
 
I have been reading/researching/ and getting ready to do clownfish breeding and have not found a clear answer of why breeders wait for their new pairs to lay a few nests before they start collecting the eggs. Does anyone know why it's suggested to wait a few nest before you start collecting? Are their potential health issues?
Thanks Lou

There are multiple reasons.

1. You need to learn when hatch night will be. Your tank has unique temperature fluctuations that will result in a unique incubation period. You can't really capture or transfer eggs until you know for a fact when hatch night will be. Incubation can last 7-13 days and that number can change over time until all other variables become more consistent. The best way to do this is to just observe the nest daily and record on which morning the nest vanished over night. Do not turn off your pumps for 5 hours every night on days 7-13 hoping to capture a spawn. It will alter the incubation period.

2. Your new brood stock are learning their roles. They are learning by trial and error how to lay the nest, how to remove bad eggs and how to incubate it consistently. They get better over time.

3. Your new brood stock are undergoing physical changes. The eggs themselves will become more viable and numerous over time. This is witnessed by every single breeder. You'll start with 20-50 eggs and 5 batches later you will have 200-500 eggs. The fry are visibly stronger/thicker in later batches and the survival rates clearly indicate healthier offspring.

There is also one other major game-changing variable to consider... you.

You have absolutely no idea what you are doing. All the reading and studying in the world will not prepare you for this experience. Breeding clowns is more of an art than a science. You will kill fry with salinity, PH, ammonia, lighting, transfer damage, over feeding... it's going to happen. That being said, I'm not against you attempting some collections early on just so you can get the ball rolling on your total losses.

You asked for data. These are my personal results from when I first started breeding and collected every clutch, including the first:

Batch 1: 0 fish
Batch 2: 4 fish
Batch 3: 0 fish
Batch 4: 0 fish
Batch 5: 0 fish
Batch 6: 0 fish
Batch 7: 50-60 fish
Batch 8: 75-100 fish

The upward trend is a result of the brood stock and myself learning how to work together. Again, nothing is stopping you from collecting the first batch. But the fry will be more viable and in significantly greater numbers if you wait a few batches. Not to mention you will know when hatch night will be saving you a lot of time.
 
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