Why so much money for your product???
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Fliger
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Why would you consider a product that you personally saw - that if you tap it, it falls off - then you never laughed so hard in your life?
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=10731915#post10731915
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=10731915#post10731915
Fliger
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Dude, take the meds. It sure seems like after you ripped them up and down on another thread, talking about how they fall apart - and if you tap them they fall off - that you weren't "really" ever considering them ......
Carry on though. I'd expect to see you in the Tunze, Deltec, H&S, Elos forums and bashing $2K skimmers also. I guess PT Barnum has us all pegged.
Have a good one!
Carry on though. I'd expect to see you in the Tunze, Deltec, H&S, Elos forums and bashing $2K skimmers also. I guess PT Barnum has us all pegged.
Have a good one!
What makes you think that a powerhead that is capable of producing 3000 gallons an hour is worth $345.00 anyway??? The powerhead itself is probably built with parts that are worth no more than $40.00. It seems like you need to take your meds. You probably need them more than I do since you realized you spent over $345.00 for a powerhead! But you have your pride so you have to defend it. Also wasn't ecotech vortechs recalled already??? And from what I have heard people are already having trouble with them??? Thats a shame!!! But don't get me wrong, from what I have heard Ecotech has resolved these issues and provided excellent customer service. I am bashing the price, not neccessarily the product itself. If it was $200.00 cheaper I might have considered it.
Marc
Marc
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Its really easy. Produce them yourself, charge $150 for them ($200 cheaper). You'll be rich, right? Why haven't we gotten any of the :lol: :lol: :lol: over here?
Enjoy your downdraft. If thats what floats your boat, so be it. I'm done here, just wanted to point out your previous posts ... Adios!
Enjoy your downdraft. If thats what floats your boat, so be it. I'm done here, just wanted to point out your previous posts ... Adios!
EcoTech Marine
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Hi Marc,
If we could make this pump for $40 and bring it to the market for $100, not only would we do that, but we'd also be the king of the market considering there is no competition for a pump of this type at that range. However, that's the point: These pumps are brushless DC motors which are nearly twice as expensive as a normal AC motor, plus you also need a circuit board to commutate and drive the motor (our driver). Add into that wireless microprocessors, antennas, a switching power supply and incredibly high strength rare-earth magnets (some vendors charge $100 for magnets this strong just to clean your aquarium!), and you've got yourself one heck of an expensive pump.
Moreover, material prices are going up these days, not down. Maybe if we built as many VorTech pumps as Apple is building iPhones we could sell it for cheaper, but when the whole saltwater aquarium industry is smaller than the number of iPhones sold to date, forget about it.
As for your overall negativity, please try and be polite. This is our forum after all.
-Tim
tangman99
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I admit when I first considered one of these pumps, the price was what held me off for a long time. Now that I own one, I wonder why I waited so long. It is clearly one of the best investments I have made to date for y tank.
When you think about it, it is all about the market size and numbers you can produce to sell. Also, consider that first pump that was built. The hundreds, if not thousands, of hours spread out amongst people researching, building, throwing away concepts and redesigning. That first pump I would guess had a price tag that was out of this world. When you have to recapture that up front R&D over time while selling to a fixed sized market, it is naturally going to inflate the price somewhat. You either accept that as a reality or you don't.
When you think about it, it is all about the market size and numbers you can produce to sell. Also, consider that first pump that was built. The hundreds, if not thousands, of hours spread out amongst people researching, building, throwing away concepts and redesigning. That first pump I would guess had a price tag that was out of this world. When you have to recapture that up front R&D over time while selling to a fixed sized market, it is naturally going to inflate the price somewhat. You either accept that as a reality or you don't.
HBtank
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Tangman really covered it.
When you consider those factors, and that it is not exactly cheap in manufacturing costs and materials to begin with, you get the price they are set at.
And just like tangman, it was on my wishlist for a loooong time and it was a sacrifice to finally get them. It is by far the most expensive thing I have bought for my tank and I thought long and hard about them.
Worth every penny so far...
When you consider those factors, and that it is not exactly cheap in manufacturing costs and materials to begin with, you get the price they are set at.
And just like tangman, it was on my wishlist for a loooong time and it was a sacrifice to finally get them. It is by far the most expensive thing I have bought for my tank and I thought long and hard about them.
Worth every penny so far...
Tim -
I have been watching this forum for quite some time as I consider purchasing some pumps. Your professional and courteous manner is commendable. I am frequently disappointed when a manufacturer/vendor stoops to the level of the inevitable irate or irrational customer. You continually keep your cool. Thank you.
I think a lot of us could benefit from a few more meds:lol:
I have been watching this forum for quite some time as I consider purchasing some pumps. Your professional and courteous manner is commendable. I am frequently disappointed when a manufacturer/vendor stoops to the level of the inevitable irate or irrational customer. You continually keep your cool. Thank you.
I think a lot of us could benefit from a few more meds:lol:
superedge88
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I have long looked and wanted one of these pumps, I can't afford one, but it doesn't give me the right to knock it. Something should also be said for the customer support of the product, so that should also be figured into the price as well. I would buy one of these in a second if I could afford it, but until then I will just drool over them.
Everybody has the right to there own opinions. Even manufactures and retail stores learn how to take criticism well and learn from it. That way they are forced to have better quality control on their products and even possibly lower there prices. Didn't the iphone have the same criticism? Price was the major criticism until Apple finally had to lower the price of the iphone to better serve there customers!!! My opinion is that a powerhead with a lousy propeller is not worth $345.00. That is all I am saying. Chill out everyone!!! Just Chill!!! And if Eco Tech thinks I am rude about this, than obviously they do not know how to take cunstructive criticism either.
Marc
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HBtank
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The only person typing in CAPs and posting !!!!'s at the end of their sentences, and not "chilling" is you.
Also, reffering to someones product as "lousy" can certainly be considered rude and not constructive at all.
People already have given the explanations. Either you are not reading them or do not understand them, but they are the reality none-the-less.
Anyways, have a good night.
rroselavy
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Marc-
Please note that I just received my first Ecotech Marine Vortech powerhead. I have not yet deployed it, so I will not yet offer praise or criticism.
However, in the aforementioned thread "Wastes of Money ", you clearly have called me "seriously out of [my] mind." In your followup post you call me a "Sucker". You then suggest that "[Ecotech] is obviously is getting rich really fast" on its customers before bothering to ask your question in this thread 5 days later. Perhaps that is what was considered rude. Your lambasting conduct outside this thread is still part of this RC community, and has been recorded (and recalled) as such.
Lastly, statements such as "people are already complaining that they are falling apart" and "The thing is small and if you even tap it, it falls off..." and that the Vortech has a "lousy propeller" are unqualified, and potentially damaging statements. Offhand comments like these are hardly the "constructive criticism" that you claim to have offered.
-Scott
raynist
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But there is a huge difference between apple and ecotech. Apple is a huge corporation that will sell millions of iphones so the cost to manufacture them will go down and they can sell them cheaper. The marine market is very small and specialized. If they drastically slashed prices they would not turn a profit and go out of business. That is why we pay a premium for marine products.
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