Wild/Maricultured SPS vs Aquacultured SPS

moo0o

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Scenario:
Changed water, didn't calibrate refractometer and I wanted my salinity to be a little lower than it was before. Turns out my tank was at 1.024 the whole time and with that water change, it brought it down to ~1.023. All my fault for sure, improper use of refractometer.

Aquacultured SPS:
Not effected at all, not the slightest bit of unhappiness.

Wild SPS:
STNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN TO DEATH. :(
 
sorry to hear that. Hope it wasn't many that died.
Noob question for you, when is a wild sps considered aquacultured? when it's acclimated and settled in your tank or fragged and put in another tank?
 
Ok, this is completely my opinion, I'm not sure if this is right but it makes perfect sense to me: A wild colony would go through these phases for it to be considered...aquacultured.

Wild colony gets put into a system [parent] > frag from that colony and put that frag into a separate system [f1] > that frag grows and gets fragged into another system [f2]

By then the f3 generation of the original coral has been fully grown in our tanks and not from the ocean and thats when i consider them aquacultured.

I think i read somewhere that every frag that ORA releases has been in their system for years before the actual release date.
 
i wouldnt mind trying maricultured.. I only have one piece that i've had forever, still brown, and stayed dormant for a long time. It just recently started growing branches.

Anyone know if maricultured coral from LA/DD have AEFW ?
 
Sorry for the lost! Are you sure it's the salinity drop? Going from 1.024 to 1.023 doesn't seem that much of a change. My wild and mariculture are actually doing much better than aquacultured. Go figure.
 
I am thinking 1.023 is the borderline where SPS are able to live...and i might be a little under that line. OR the drop. Either one, the only thing that I've changed between healthy to now is the water change. The frag has been in the tank for 3 weeks now and every since I changed my water its been going downhill while everything else doesn't seem bothered at all.
 
wow, sorry for the loss, thanks for the info on the difference between maricultured and aquacultured, I've always wondered that myself.
 
I would also put wild and maricultured sps corals in two different categories. Maricultured are much more hardy than wild acros.
 
yeah but they are much more hardy than wild acros. It is just part of the process that they go through when they are farmed. Even though it is in the ocean still, it seems that the polyp is recovered and they are always encrusting on a maricultured rock. Maricultured acros takes about 3 months before they are really settled in well while in captivity. Wild acros almost never seem to settle in. Even when they do get adjusted, they will be the first ones to go out the door if something happens to your system.
 
Personally, I sometimes group maricultured and wild in the same category. Wild colonies for the most part are taken off the wild reef which I really don't condone. Maricultured are wild "frags" that are still for the most part kept in shallow lagoons in pristine natural sea water to grow out. When I first started keeping SPS I didn't know any better and bought a wild colony. It RTN'd almost immediately. I fragged a tip off and was able to save it for 2 years before it just withered away. Maricultured in my opinion is really almost the same thing...(marine aquacultured). I still have one of my originals from around 3 years ago.

I think that the smaller the wild or maricultured colony the better the chance it has for survival. We fall in love with semi-mature colonies and stick them in our tanks where they are subjected to a captive environment of artificial light, different flow patterns and much more measurable organics than the sea from which they came. The aquacultured corals in our tanks that started as frags had a chance to acclimate to these environments. They do well IMO not only because they're more hardy, but because they are small and can develop their own growth patterns as they become accustomed to our systems. A larger wild colony has already shown the direction of its' growth footprint based on the natural sunlight and tidal flow it received on the reef. A deviation from these flow patterns (not just gph) could cause the coral to either not be able to compensate or not be accustomed to the sudden flow reduction or increase across a much more mature animal.

This is just my opinion but I've seen 2 of my local fellow reefers immediately hack up a wild colony and trade them with each other so that the smaller frags have a chance to develop in a captive environment and to have more corals between them. Some do well, but many if not most just dwindle away.
 
Personally, I sometimes group maricultured and wild in the same category. Wild colonies for the most part are taken off the wild reef which I really don't condone. Maricultured are wild "frags" that are still for the most part kept in shallow lagoons in pristine natural sea water to grow out. When I first started keeping SPS I didn't know any better and bought a wild colony. It RTN'd almost immediately. I fragged a tip off and was able to save it for 2 years before it just withered away. Maricultured in my opinion is really almost the same thing...(marine aquacultured). I still have one of my originals from around 3 years ago.

I think that the smaller the wild or maricultured colony the better the chance it has for survival. We fall in love with semi-mature colonies and stick them in our tanks where they are subjected to a captive environment of artificial light, different flow patterns and much more measurable organics than the sea from which they came. The aquacultured corals in our tanks that started as frags had a chance to acclimate to these environments. They do well IMO not only because they're more hardy, but because they are small and can develop their own growth patterns as they become accustomed to our systems. A larger wild colony has already shown the direction of its' growth footprint based on the natural sunlight and tidal flow it received on the reef. A deviation from these flow patterns (not just gph) could cause the coral to either not be able to compensate or not be accustomed to the sudden flow reduction or increase across a much more mature animal.

This is just my opinion but I've seen 2 of my local fellow reefers immediately hack up a wild colony and trade them with each other so that the smaller frags have a chance to develop in a captive environment and to have more corals between them. Some do well, but many if not most just dwindle away.


I cut up wild colonies as well as i believe that if it starts as a small fragment, it is allowed to grow how it sees best to my system and not where it was before.

Also, Maricultured/Wild SPS almost always come with pests. Its a pretty good practice to cut off the base which most of the time turns the colony into frags anyway.
 
they are small and can develop their own growth patterns as they become accustomed to our systems. A larger wild colony has already shown the direction of its' growth footprint based on the natural sunlight and tidal flow it received on the reef. A deviation from these flow patterns (not just gph) could cause the coral to either not be able to compensate or not be accustomed to the sudden flow reduction or increase across a much more mature animal.

There is defiantly nothing that compares to aquacultured acros and I couldn't agree with you more about the growth patterns.

The large number of maricultured acros that have been imported these last few years are the reason why there are so many AEFW events out there. Yes, they almost always come in with AEFW on them.
 
I would also put wild and maricultured sps corals in two different categories. Maricultured are much more hardy than wild acros.

100% Completely disagree. I also disagree w/your AEFW mariculture statement. In my current system I have plenty of maricultured SPS and I have yet to have AEFWS (figures crossed). Over the years I have bought dozens upon dozens, if not 100s of maricultured pieces direct from the wholesalers, very few if any of them ever came in with AEFWS (that I recall), granted I would hand select everything and inspect them. All most all AEFWs I've ever received over the years came from other reefers. (same with red bugs). The only "pest" I consistently have seen from "wild" pieces is Monti Nudis. Have to be really careful with those large encrusting pieces.

Since setting up this new tank the one Piece I received that had AEFWs on it was an aquaculture piece I tossed it out and didn't put it in my tank. It has more to do with where you are getting them from, then what type of piece they are If the shop you buy your stuff from has AEFWs in the tanks.. everything you buy from them will have a good change of having AEFWs. ESPECIALLY if you are buying stuff that has been sitting in a shop for a while.
 
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I have always wondered if the crabs that the wild colonies come with eat red bugs and aefw. Could this be the natural alternative to keeping these pests under control or even eradicating them once introduced? All of the wild colonies I ever had went rtn on me within weeks. I haven't bought a wild colony since 2004 but have been tempted. Most of the frags I have now a days are growing at a descent rate so the great blue sea can keep his acro's and the pests they come with.
 
100% Completely disagree. I also disagree w/your AEFW mariculture statement. In my current system I have plenty of maricultured SPS and I have yet to have AEFWS (figures crossed). Over the years I have bought dozens upon dozens, if not 100s of maricultured pieces direct from the wholesalers, very few if any of them ever came in with AEFWS (that I recall), granted I would hand select everything and inspect them. All most all AEFWs I've ever received over the years came from other reefers. (same with red bugs). The only "pest" I consistently have seen from "wild" pieces is Monti Nudis. Have to be really careful with those large encrusting pieces.

Since setting up this new tank the one Piece I received that had AEFWs on it was an aquaculture piece I tossed it out and didn't put it in my tank. It has more to do with where you are getting them from, then what type of piece they are If the shop you buy your stuff from has AEFWs in the tanks.. everything you buy from them will have a good change of having AEFWs. ESPECIALLY if you are buying stuff that has been sitting in a shop for a while.

Not really sure where to start with this but I guess we have to agree to disagree on this one.

Your opinion is well respected from me but can you explain why you would put maricultured and wild acros in the same category?
 
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I have always wondered if the crabs that the wild colonies come with eat red bugs and aefw. Could this be the natural alternative to keeping these pests under control or even eradicating them once introduced? All of the wild colonies I ever had went rtn on me within weeks. I haven't bought a wild colony since 2004 but have been tempted. Most of the frags I have now a days are growing at a descent rate so the great blue sea can keep his acro's and the pests they come with.

I wouldn't necessary call the acro crabs a treatment or prevention but they are eating something for sure.
 
I haven't bought a wild colony since 2004 but have been tempted.

Maybe that's part of the "problem". :)

7 years back, maybe our knowledge and equipement available just don't allow us to grow mariculture or wild SPS successfully. Things certainly have changed in all these years and we now have better understanding of pretty much every aspect of this hobby (from better equipement to pest prevention and control to waste removal and nutrient management). DD, for example, sells lots of wild and mariculture everyday. It doesn't seem to make sense people will continue buying them if majority of them STN/RTN within a few weeks.

Anyhow I think wild and mariculture are definitely more sensitive but they had a bad rep to begin with because we used to unable to successfully kept them for long term.
 
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