Woo Hoo! It's happening now!

btw, I read somewhere that the rock will cure faster if you keep the temp in the low 80s. I guess that speeds up the die off.

Also if the live rock has any sponges you may want to scrape those off, as most likely they will die or are dead.

You may also want to get your light setup, as if this really awesome rock, it may have some shrooms or other photosynthetic polyps / life on it you may want to keep and may need light (clip on 6500k bulb would work too).

Also if you don't have Live Sand already, or if you bought regular sand, you could put some of it into your rock cure to give it an early boost.

Good luck!
 
Thanks Joe. I've got the trash can at 82 now, trying to get the salinity to zero in to around 1.025.

I'll definitely be looking for sponges, thanks. But this rock is "pre-cured" so I'm assuming additional die-off will be minimal, especially since it's being shipped overnite. The vendor has indicated that I should expect (no promises) that a minor curing may be needed for a week or so after it arrives due to additional die off in transit. I don't have the sand yet, but I'm not yet certain that I'm putting any in my DT anyway.

But I do have 6500k bulbs. Will give that some consideration! Thanks!
 
Scolley. that is some detailed plan!!! You never cease to srurpise me with you level of detail and planning.

How did the live rock look when it arrived? could you still see lots of growth on the rock (Id assume not since you wrote the vendor just cured the rock themselves for 30 days, but Im curious.

Is it possible to take a picture of your curing vat and light / current stage of settingup the nano and stand?

thanks
 
The rock came in Friday. 25 lbs. Here's a pic...

IMG_9435_edited-2.jpg


It had clearly been pre-cleaned by the vendor - ReefScience. There were small amounts of macro algae on it in places, which I scrubbed off. I know it'll likely come back. I just didn't want it rotting as I ran the rock through a mini-cure. This pics just doesn't do justice to how nice this rock is. They look solid, but they are nothing of the sort. I'd need a macro lens for you to see all the holes and crevices in it. There was at least one mollusk in it that remained alive for the journey... it was closed when I was cleaning the rock, but it opened up when I rinsed it off in SW. Cool.

I'm thrilled with the coralline. It's really richer, and covers more than these pics show too. Granted it has faded from the curing and lack of light, but most of the rocks are completely covered in purple, with some traces of orange and/red. I could not be happier with the purchase, and sorry these pics don't do justice to the rock.

The sniff test - when I got the rock, yielded pretty much nothing but saltwater. There was the smallest hint of something else, which is to be expected from the journey to my house. And after 24 hours in the curing trash can, I'm able to test some ammonia and some nitrate. I don't have a nitrite test kit - don't need one. If that ammonia falls eventually falls to zero, and the nitrate rises, I'll know I've got a nitrogen cycle in progress. And since it's gonna be a while before I put any animals in the tank, as long a few weeks pass, and the ammonia keeps at zero, and the nitrate peaks, I can be pretty comfortable that the cycle is already complete. No need to waste money on a nitrate test kit to tell you what you already know. ;)

The tank/stand aren't ready for pics. The stand still has some equipment from its old FW setup that I need to remove. And the curing vat could not be simpler... a 33g brute trash can with a heater, and a big Ocean Runner pump blasting the water around. Not much to show I'm afraid.
 
Very nice planning! If only others would plan their tank 1/2 as well as you they would be very successful! Great way of thinking ahead on this project!

Hope this helps,
Chad D. Bryant
 
Hey! You found me Chad! Thanks for the KILLER rock! This being my first reef, it's WAY cool to have something SO important work out SO well! Thank you ReefScience!

And maybe with a little planning, the nano reef will work out well too!

But plannings a slippery thing... it definitely reduces mistakes, but unfortunately it does NOT eliminate them. As far as I can tell, only learning from experience will do that.

Thanks for the kind words though. :)
 
My sump came in today, and it is AWESOME! I really hope this design works because - honest to goodness - I AM proud of this design. It looks like it's gonna be great! (says the newbie with zero reef experience :) ) I'm especially pleased at that fact that everything fit PERFECTLY. Size and placement for all the equipment in it, along with how it fit in the stand (and the clearance needed to remove the skimmer cup), all worked out within fractions of an inch. Cool!

Sometimes detail planning does pay off.

I snapped some pics with it empty. Will need to snap some with all the stuff in it so it will make better sense for people.

And have been spending every spare hour every evening trying to get this tank and stand built out. Fun yes. But definitely taking a long time. And I don't mind saying, I'm dying to get something WET!

But many hours of dry work still to go before I can think about that.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15177553#post15177553 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Wheel of Time
Youll get to see my set-up this weekend.
And I am really looking forward to that! Thanks.
 
Man! I gotta say... I've had some awesomely complex closed loops in past aquatic lives - but I've never had a sump.

Gawd! Is this harder than it's worth?

I'm trying to get mine set up... and holey moley, is it a PITA!

Little more of this... and the sump overflows when the power kicks out.

Little more of that... and it gurgles like there's no tomorrow.

Little more of the other thing, and everything is PERFECT, as if Goldilocks herself squatted down on the tank... except of course that now the skimmer is not working!

It's enough to make a man swear life-long fealty to "closed loop". Honest to goodnesss, I've never worked with a system so innately flawed. In my professional field we'd have discarded something so difficult to work with long ago...

But this is a hobby.

And I'm a newbie.

So it's been fun soaking up the water off my floor. And it is my sincere hope that I can figure out a way where that will never be required again. ;)

Gawd help us if this ever got boring...

But as far as I can tell... boring will never happen to someone with a sump over a stained wooden floor. ;)
 
OK - but no time to explain I'm afraid. Busy with the tank... and gotta got to the meeting at Wheel 'o Times! But here goes, somewhat at random.

Oh yeah... I know. It's a mess. Works in progress sometimes are. ;)













 
OK, now for a bit of explanation...

FIRST PIC - SUMP VIEWED FROM THE BACK

The top pic is obviously the sump. It's a back view. So water comes in the right side, where a filter sock will be mounted. It flows under the teeth to the section with a hole in it (for an Iceprobe chiller) where the Tunze 2002 skimmer will reside. You can see in that same section a plexiglass piece for probes and such. Water flows out of the skimmer section to the three walled bubble trap. But first gap starts an inch off the floor to keep sand and heavy particulates in the skimmer section. It flows up and over the middle of the three walls, and under the third.

If you look you can see a couple of white nylon screws. That middle wall is split in two, and has an adjustable height to control the water level in the skimmer section. The screws hold the wall at the desired height. You'll notice that the three walls are not evenly spaced. There's more room to the right - that's so I can get my fingers in there to adjust screw tension.

The left side is just the return section for my Eheim. It too has some acrylic pieces to hold probes and such.

So you may note the front half (behind the black wall is one big section. It is.That's the fuge. Water will come in on one side, and flow through the upper teeth to the return section.




SECOND PIC - SUMP FROM THE FRONT

Hey wait! Didn't I just say the front half was a fuge? What's that black piece with the teeth?

That's just a temporary piece, not permanently attached. That's so I can section off a deep sand bed if I decide to, with water coming into the deep sand bed, and flowing over the teeth to the fuge, and over the other teeth to the return section. The DSB wall can just be held in place with rock (or whatever) and sealed with silicon. Since the water level will be the same on both sides, there'll be no pressure, so it should not move, and do fine to hold a temporary - re-sizable - removable - DSB.


THIRD PIC - TANK FRONT

AS you can see, I've mounted my overflow on the side. Not too happy about that visible equipment, but my lights (and the tank only being 12" from front to back) were right over it when it was in a typical HOB configuration. Lit the overflow up like a Christmas tree. So this at least minimizes the visual profile of the oveflow within the tank.

The lights are an Orbit with 2 x 65w PC and a new GLO fixture with 2 x 24W T5.

Clearly that 25lbs of new live rock didn't go far! All the bright white stuff to the right is a little of the huge quantity of dry rock I got. This clearly is not the aquascape. And it's clearly not in it's final position or configuration. This is just keeping the rock wet, breaking in the tank as I finalize the plumbing. THEN I'll aquascape it, and more it into it's final position.



FOURTH PIC - SUMP IN STAND

When you realize that the vertical height of that space in the stand is only 17", that's a little sump! I've mounted a little light at the top, and dropped in a token live rock (the crappies looking one ;) ) into the the fuge area. There's a fan to augment the IceProbe that hangs out the hole in the back of the stand. And you can see the little Tunze creating some stinky brown stuff after only 30 hours of operation. The drain into the left rear corner goes into a filter sock, and the little bypass allows a trickle of water into the fuge, bypassing all the filtration. And though it's barely visible, the heater is in the fuge. I could fit a smaller one in the skimmer section, but I'm not that picky. Behind the light is a little clip to hold up all the wires... I hate electrical wires hanging too close to water.



FIFTH PIC - SIDE VIEW

Not much to see really... just my home made Hoffer Gurgle Buster, to quiet down that overflow. And I went with 1" drain, just in case I decided to dramatically increase my turnover.



LAST PIC - SCWD

I installed a Switching Current Water Director on the return lines, just to mix up the flow a bit. I was unhappy with the stock hose barb connections on this 3/4" model, so I called the manufacturor (really, really, nice, helpful people) who said it was made of ABS. From experience I knew you can use PVC cement to make a nice hard connection between PVC and ABS, so I found some nice adapters at Home Depot, and converted those hose barb connections to nice 1/2" FTP! Added a few more Clic clips to mount it to the stand, added a few unions (so I could replace it if it gets gunked up), and it was done. Or so I thought. Some of those return lines look like they could us a litte reinforcing with some Clic clips themselves.



Well that's it. More to do...

I'm not happy with the drain into the sump. The down pipe is removable, to allow the replacement of the filter sock. But it's kludgy. And I'd like to mount a ball valve to divert all water to the fuge while I was changing the sock, but there just does not seem to room.


This was always the Achilles heel of my plans... I figured if I could get the sump sized correctly, and the equipment fitting in such a small space, then I'd figure out a way to make the plumbing work. Well, now I'm at that figure it out spot. ;)
 
Great explanations, Im sure -- but I cant see teh pics posted -- still red x's. Could you try reposting them or editing the link from your image gallery?
 
Not being able to see those images is just TOO weird.

I've right clicked on three images from this thread, to get their "properties".

First is "http://www.colley.org/images/Kahunas%20Kid%20Sump.jpg", which is a JPEG of my sump, from the first post on this thread.
Next is "http://www.colley.org/images/IMG_9435_edited-2.jpg", which is the JPEG of my live rock, in the middle of this thread.
Finally is "http://www.colley.org/images/IMG_9538_edited-1.jpg", which is the final image of my last picture post above - the JPEG of the SCWD.


They are all visible to me. And you can see that they are all in the same exact directory of the same server. My server. It's open to the world.

So if someone can't see these, it's really, really wacky. Can anyone see the first two pics (in this thread that I mentioned above), but not the last?
 
I can see them. The sump looks awesome, although personally I'd be peeved at not being able to see the backside, unless I could get to both the front and back easily.

Is there a reason why the overflow is on the side and not the back? As it looks like the two 45 elbows can be a bit restrictive.
 
Thanks for letting me know you can see the pics Joe. It's weird that other people can't. ???

Thanks for the kind words on the sump. And that black acrylic - that's exactly as I ordered it. I've never done this before, so I thought anything I could do to keep light over the refugium out of the rest of the sump would help cut down on nuisance algae in other parts of the sump. It's harder to get to stuff that you can't see. But I figured cleaning algae you can't see might be harder.

And explaining why the overflow on the side is a little tough...

1) The tank is only 12" front to back.
2) I wanted to use my existing lights (long story), and they are almost exactly 12" front to back.
3) The tank is 30" wide.
4) The lights are only 24" wide.
5) So an overflow box hanging on the back will have light shining right into the in-tank portion of the box, shading important real estate below it.
6) An overflow box hanging side will not have either of those problems (with these lights, on this tank).

So I don't like looking at the hardware. But I like shielding a large part of my reef from light even less. Plus when I hang it on the back, the lights right over the in-tank overflow box light it up like a Christmas tree. It was a choice of making it look better in the tank vs. outside the tank.


And as to the two elbows... Those are 1" pipes carrying less than 200 gph. IMO I could put 10 elbows on a pipe that size with a flow that slow and still make little to no difference. My returns are only 1/2", and cannot remotely keep up with the big empty pipe those outflows provide. Good question though.
 
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