greystreet41
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alexinfla
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You really an attorney? Because it seems you truly don't understand business. Why on earth would he spend 150-250 a head and then resell at the same price.....man o man, you guys want everything for free!
Check out Eden's Gate corals as well, Larry has been getting some nice Aussie lords in as well....but again, you'll get what you pay for....which is how it should be ;-)
water hazzard
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You guys all want cheap coral. Im sure your local LFS has alot of green and brown for you. You want these crazy colors you are have to get these from one of these guys. Clint is a stand up guy. Bought great stuff from him in the past and he is no ripoff guy or chopshop. I guess you people can just wait for it to get to your local shops.
sufunk
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No, i'm not assuming hes selling the whole colony. I know he isnt and thats the point. He will sell these for outrageous per head prices and make about 750-1000% profit and still keep a nice size colony to chop up in another 6 months for more insane profit. Dont tell me what a great stand up guy he is when hes gouging people for $250 a head on acans. Just because people will pay that doesnt make it right
Dont tell me he isnt ripping people off or a chopshop. He's selling ACANS per head for $150-250. Per head, thats a chopshop. I know people will pay it but people will pay $5k to get a playstation3 right away.
If you think people charging $250 a head for acans they probably paid $25 a head for is helping this hobby , then by all means help out your buddy clint. Say whatever you want about him but i'd bet anything he is making at least 500% profit including overhead and still keeping a 20+ head colony of each to chop up in 3-6 months. IMO, thats bad business and not a stand up guy.
p.s- i have no problem quoting my clients a price because its a FAIR PRICE. I'm not embarassed to give a quote to handle your case, lets see him have the sack to ask $5000-10000 for one of those colonies. People would laugh and you and he know it! Selling by the head makes it seem like he isnt ripping you off completely..... but it just seems that way
greystreet41
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9990441#post9990441 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sufunk
No, i'm not assuming hes selling the whole colony. I know he isnt and thats the point. He will sell these for outrageous per head prices and make about 750-1000% profit and still keep a nice size colony to chop up in another 6 months for more insane profit. Dont tell me what a great stand up guy he is when hes gouging people for $250 a head on acans. Just because people will pay that doesnt make it right
Dont tell me he isnt ripping people off or a chopshop. He's selling ACANS per head for $150-250. Per head, thats a chopshop. I know people will pay it but people will pay $5k to get a playstation3 right away.
If you think people charging $250 a head for acans they probably paid $25 a head for is helping this hobby , then by all means help out your buddy clint. Say whatever you want about him but i'd bet anything he is making at least 500% profit including overhead and still keeping a 20+ head colony of each to chop up in 3-6 months. IMO, thats bad business and not a stand up guy.
p.s- i have no problem quoting my clients a price because its a FAIR PRICE. I'm not embarassed to give a quote to handle your case, lets see him have the sack to ask $5000-10000 for one of those colonies. People would laugh and you and he know it! Selling by the head makes it seem like he isnt ripping you off completely..... but it just seems that way
this really is a silly argument. This is a supply and demand driven hobby on many levels. It's as simple as that, and that's pretty simple. Prices drop with everything over time based on what? Yes, the obvious.
And if he asked the 5k-10k, where's the harm? It doesn't take a pair of stones to ask for higher $$$ amounts. If someone doesn't want it, who are you as the self-appointed morale police to dictate capitalism? geez... as a sidenote, I would never pay that much (okay, maybe I would for a few polyps), but it's on me for buying it, not him for selling it.
sufunk
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I'm not the moral police. He can charge whatever he wants and as i said before, if he can get it great. But dont tell me what a great standup guy he is for doing it.
All i said was it is VERY SAD to chop up those beautiful(and supposedly very rare or one of a kind) colonies into little 1 head frags to make 1000% profit. I stick by that completely, very sad
All i said was it is VERY SAD to chop up those beautiful(and supposedly very rare or one of a kind) colonies into little 1 head frags to make 1000% profit. I stick by that completely, very sad
greystreet41
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9990674#post9990674 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sufunk
I'm not the moral police. He can charge whatever he wants and as i said before, if he can get it great. But dont tell me what a great standup guy he is for doing it.
All i said was it is VERY SAD to chop up those beautiful(and supposedly very rare or one of a kind) colonies into little 1 head frags to make 1000% profit. I stick by that completely, very sad
again, if you're going to knock the concept of "chopshop" then you need to be a purist and advocate for marine life being completely undisturbed and not exported. These are not pieces that need captive propagation to avoid extinction.
tacocat
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9990441#post9990441 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sufunk
No, i'm not assuming hes selling the whole colony. I know he isnt and thats the point. He will sell these for outrageous per head prices and make about 750-1000% profit and still keep a nice size colony to chop up in another 6 months for more insane profit. Dont tell me what a great stand up guy he is when hes gouging people for $250 a head on acans. Just because people will pay that doesnt make it right
Dont tell me he isnt ripping people off or a chopshop. He's selling ACANS per head for $150-250. Per head, thats a chopshop. I know people will pay it but people will pay $5k to get a playstation3 right away.
If you think people charging $250 a head for acans they probably paid $25 a head for is helping this hobby , then by all means help out your buddy clint. Say whatever you want about him but i'd bet anything he is making at least 500% profit including overhead and still keeping a 20+ head colony of each to chop up in 3-6 months. IMO, thats bad business and not a stand up guy.
p.s- i have no problem quoting my clients a price because its a FAIR PRICE. I'm not embarassed to give a quote to handle your case, lets see him have the sack to ask $5000-10000 for one of those colonies. People would laugh and you and he know it! Selling by the head makes it seem like he isnt ripping you off completely..... but it just seems that way
Pice gouging only applies to items that are necessities. These are luxury items, and noone is being forced to buy them.
Further, Clint is a small operation, and doesn't have the buying power of Wal-Mart. In order to build a solid reputation with an Austalian importer, he had to spend some serious time, and put out quite a bit of capitol outlay to have those corals imported. It's not as if he drove down to 7-11 and got them out of the beer cooler.
I doubt Clint was able to stroll down to a wholesaler and pick them up. A typical transhipment box contains one or two nice colonies and the remainder are boring bread and butter specimens. A shipment with that many nice acan colonies is going to cost a premium.
Clint has to charge high prices to eager aquarists to turn some profit and to get his credit card back down to zero balance before the month is over. I'm OK with that myself. Do you think he should not get rewarded for putting forth the effort to bring those corals to aquarists in the US?
BTW, comparing these corals to typical acans is like saying ribeye steak and bologna should cost the same because they are both made of meat.
water hazzard
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Im willing to bet that 95 % of reefers will ever get colonys this nice or this size for that matter. Truth be told that, when and if, lords this nice ever come around again some shop online vender will buy them up and do the same thing. If the guy from the other acan speciality site can get 600 per, then 100-150 is a steal because these are so much sweeter
coralcutie
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The price is expensive, but it doesn't make it wrong either, its business.
Let me ask you this, if you scored a bag of diamonds, thousands of carats, for real cheap, lets say 100 dollars per carat, would you sell them at 2-300 per carat or closer to the market price of maybe 3000 for a desirable quality diamond?
Let me ask you this, if you scored a bag of diamonds, thousands of carats, for real cheap, lets say 100 dollars per carat, would you sell them at 2-300 per carat or closer to the market price of maybe 3000 for a desirable quality diamond?
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9990441#post9990441 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sufunk
No, i'm not assuming hes selling the whole colony. I know he isnt and thats the point. He will sell these for outrageous per head prices and make about 750-1000% profit and still keep a nice size colony to chop up in another 6 months for more insane profit. Dont tell me what a great stand up guy he is when hes gouging people for $250 a head on acans. Just because people will pay that doesnt make it right
Dont tell me he isnt ripping people off or a chopshop. He's selling ACANS per head for $150-250. Per head, thats a chopshop. I know people will pay it but people will pay $5k to get a playstation3 right away.
If you think people charging $250 a head for acans they probably paid $25 a head for is helping this hobby , then by all means help out your buddy clint. Say whatever you want about him but i'd bet anything he is making at least 500% profit including overhead and still keeping a 20+ head colony of each to chop up in 3-6 months. IMO, thats bad business and not a stand up guy.
p.s- i have no problem quoting my clients a price because its a FAIR PRICE. I'm not embarassed to give a quote to handle your case, lets see him have the sack to ask $5000-10000 for one of those colonies. People would laugh and you and he know it! Selling by the head makes it seem like he isnt ripping you off completely..... but it just seems that way
sufunk
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I've said a bunch of times he can charge whatever he wants and that is fine. This is america, if he can get 10k a head, so be it. But dont tellme what a great stand up guy he is for doing it.
Dont give me the sob story about what they cost him. "turn some profit"??!? I guarantee he is making INSANE profits. He'll be at zero balance by selling about 10 heads each. It isnt "technically" gouging, but we all know its outrageous. Wouldnt he get ALOT more customers by charging a reasonable price and having everyone say how great and affordable his corals are???? I have a weird feeling he would still make BIG profits at half of what he is charging.
Dont give me the sob story about what they cost him. "turn some profit"??!? I guarantee he is making INSANE profits. He'll be at zero balance by selling about 10 heads each. It isnt "technically" gouging, but we all know its outrageous. Wouldnt he get ALOT more customers by charging a reasonable price and having everyone say how great and affordable his corals are???? I have a weird feeling he would still make BIG profits at half of what he is charging.
RandyO
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Eden's Gate's Aussie Acans are nice, and priced better.
http://www.edensgatecorals.com/Frags for sale/acans.htm
http://www.edensgatecorals.com/Frags for sale/acans.htm
tacocat
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So you've seen the shipping invoice? My pal (who sponors this site) spoke once about the price of acans, and he mentioned mortgage payment in the same sentence. Maybe he doesn't want ALOT of customers, just a few serious ones.
FWIW, I don't think you've been keeping up with how much stuff costs these days to import. Times are changing, the importers are bringing less stuff in that costs more, and is higher in quality. Believe me, if importing these corals were cheap and easy, more people would be doing it.
So he's making a BIG profit, BFD. So, should there be a salary cap on people as well. BTW, if you are an aquarist worth your salt, you really shouldn't be paying much for corals these days.
sufunk
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Thats ridiculous and yyou know it. I dont need to see the invoice to know he didnt pay anywhere remotely close to what he is charging. Rough guess about 750% profit with the colonies left tofrag again. It isnt a big deal whatever profit he makes. I just take issue with people claiming what a great guy he is while doing it.
BTW, by your own logic, this clint must be a complete idiot to be paying "mortgage payment" prices for corals then. Must not be worth his salt
and no he obviously doesnt want ALOT of customers, just a few crazy ones. Probably the same guys who bought $5000 playstations the 1st day out.
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