Zeovit SPS colours without using Zeovit or similar

[dieselgrk]

what is zeo spur 2 for? how it works?

zeospur is a product containing copper in low amounts which essentially poisons corals into unnaturally releasing their zooanthelle.... i would suggest an incredible amount of research into the product take place prior to using it!

 

[dieselgrk]

sahin - you can get perfect color better than Zeo, Neo, Tio what ever you wanna call it tanks by using the natural method.

look aat a reef and think what do i need to do to recreate this enviroment. without the oil spills, and pestisides of course!

Good Lighting
Protein Skimming just enough not over skimming
healthy Refugium
good fish population
feed them good food (coral, fish)
Uv to keep fish healthy not over doing it
consistency and patience

different people have different goals with their aquariums. there's nothing natural about keeping reef creatures in the confines of a glass box! with that said there are definitely more natural methods of reef keeping then others however i think there's plenty of evidence out there to show that for those who crave beauty in the form of bright colored sps corals, the modern ULN systems out there achieve much better results then some of the more conventional, more natural ways!

 

[t4zalews]

The ocean does have a skimmer...its the foam you see on beaches.

 

[dieselgrk]

Thought I'd ask in this forum. In your experiance, can you obtain awesome SPS colours without resorting to Zeovit or similar systems?

Can you run a good skimmer, GFO in a reactor, carbon and say largish (ie 20%) water changes a week to maintain low nutrients and get excellent SPS colours? -some dosing of trace elements allowable, like Strontium, Iodine, etc etc.

I am only asking this from the context of nutrients (not, lighting, flow etc - assume these are optimum).

is there a reason why you want zeovit results but arent willing try zeovit or a similar method?

 

[Shadowramy]

Just some quick shots, I am running zeo and have been going on 3 years now. When I ran T5 I had alot of pastel corals, going to 20K MH I dont have the issue. Everything else remained the same

Zeo & MH

 

[dieselgrk]

:eek1::eek1::eek1:

WOW.... very nice shadowarmy!

Just some quick shots, I am running zeo and have been going on 3 years now. When I ran T5 I had alot of pastel corals, going to 20K MH I dont have the issue. Everything else remained the same

Zeo & MH

 

[plyle02]

I have to agree, awesome colors

 

[sahin]

Just some quick shots, I am running zeo and have been going on 3 years now. When I ran T5 I had alot of pastel corals, going to 20K MH I dont have the issue. Everything else remained the same

Zeo & MH

Wow, those are awesome colours. The coral in the first photo has awesome colour. What coral is kind of millipora is it?

I'll post some photos in a few days showing some of my coral colours if possible.

Its photos like that which make me want to switch to Zeovit. I dont mind the daily dosing etc, but always wonder about the occassion when I go on holiday or something, and also worry about possible RTN/STN from Zeovit. I have over 25 SPS frags in my tank, more than half of which are quite good colour varities and which I paid a lot of money to procur - we just dont get the awesome colour corals in the UK.

 

[ryanjiang]

Can I ask approximately how much it cost per month for a 75G tank with full blown zeo dosing?

 

[plyle02]

Can I ask approximately how much it cost per month for a 75G tank with full blown zeo dosing?

Full zeovit = a reactor to pump the zeolite media, I had a custom out of sump reactor built by I-tech for around $200.

Zeolites= around $14 for each 1 liter bag, enough for each media change, depending on your nutrient load changed every 4-6 weeks.

Zeofood7= around $40

Zeobak= around $18-20 small bottle

Zeostart2= around $40-50

Zeo Carbon= around $15 each 1 liter bag, enough for 2-3 exchanges

That is your Basic 4... Estimated around $350-400... to get you started...

I think it should be basic 5, you need to have a way to keep up on your K, the bottle costs roughly $40-50... You also should test with a reliable K test, add another $50 to the equation.

you are now at roughly $450-600

After you are satisfied with running the true zeo ULNS, think of zeolite exchanges and carbon exchanges, and have a stock pile of those, so add another $100 to cover your 4-6 month supply.

Then,
You get to B Balance, CV, SP, AAHC, CS, ZZ, PE, and so forth adding about another $40-50 each bottle...

Can be expensive, but supps go a long way, not much needed once you get involved, but be prepared for $$$ to run the system Full Blown. I think how much $ I waste on other supps running non-zeo, and to me it makes sense, however it can be an expense to get going...

HTH's

 

[jackson6745]

Shadowramy, was the growth better for you under the T5's or MH? Since switching to T5's my colors have gone somewhat pastel.....but the grow has been great.

 

[sunny1977]

zeavit sps colours with out zeovit supplement possible



for getting to ULNS try either vodka or solid vodka methods

once acheive low p and nitrate levels and


add iodine

add iron

add k

use small amount of carbon

supplements iron gives me nice green but dose very low but every day

k gives better blue stop if tips growth stops



good luck and actually save a lot of $$$$

hope i answered :wavehand:

 

[sahin]

zeavit sps colours with out zeovit supplement possible



for getting to ULNS try either vodka or solid vodka methods

once acheive low p and nitrate levels and


add iodine

add iron

add k

use small amount of carbon

supplements iron gives me nice green but dose very low but every day

k gives better blue stop if tips growth stops



good luck and actually save a lot of $$$$

hope i answered :wavehand:

I am using Carbon and GFO along with Vodka and a bacterial source. In the past week colour has improved quite a bit.

I am going to try what you mention above. Do you have a tank thread or photos of your tank?

 

[Nate R]

sahin- Another question you must ask people or at least think about is. The people who swear by Zeo method, did they honestly try a natural approach first with time & research invested in there tank? Because it is 100% possible and has been done many many times.

or did they set it up let it go, didn't see what they wanted and then try Zeo.

Because people are correct in saying that (if they knew it or not there system was defiantly lacking something) and Zeo will give a constant to at least one Variable in the system. therefore fixing nutrient problems and or giving proper food source for there tank inhabitants.

i m not against ZEO folks believe me, i have no problem with it or anybody who does it but the original question Sahin asked was it possible to build a beautiful reef with out using it and the answer is Yes!

Side Note: If there were "Cheat Codes" for our hobby i think Zeo is it! IMO

 

[sahin]

sahin- Another question you must ask people or at least think about is. The people who swear by Zeo method, did they honestly try a natural approach first with time & research invested in there tank? Because it is 100% possible and has been done many many times.

or did they set it up let it go, didn't see what they wanted and then try Zeo.

Because people are correct in saying that (if they knew it or not there system was defiantly lacking something) and Zeo will give a constant to at least one Variable in the system. therefore fixing nutrient problems and or giving proper food source for there tank inhabitants.

i m not against ZEO folks believe me, i have no problem with it or anybody who does it but the original question Sahin asked was it possible to build a beautiful reef with out using it and the answer is Yes!

Side Note: If there were "Cheat Codes" for our hobby i think Zeo is it! IMO

You know, I have started to go over the old winning tanks of the month to see what was achieved in the past before T5's and Zeovit became more mainstream.

I suppose you put it in a good way to describe Zeovit as a cheatcode.

 

[plyle02]

What is Natural anyway??? To have natural conditions in the confines of our tanks is why technology continues to evolve allowing more success in sps keeping. Running alk and ca at levels much higher than NSW really proves that there is no natural way in keeping these delicate creatures in their natural conditions unless you live on a reef, pump seawater into your tank and allow it to drain right back into the ocean, that is natural... Otherwise, I think we all strive to create as natural conditions as we possibly can to succesfully have fish, inverts, and corals feel as at home as possible while we sit back and enjoy our own slice of the ocean. Zeovit and other ULNS are simply methods to aid in creating conditions that corals enjoy, some of the additives and foods mimick natural conditions quite nicely as they provide food souces to the corals many times per day while not compromising water quality. To each their own, I always say... I think it is important to at least have some experience before chiming in saying something to the effect of "Cheating"... That statement could not be anymore false, perhaps log on to the Zeovit website and look at some of their tanks in the TOTQ, you will find many natural looking reefs their, then look at some pictures of well, let's say a Fiji or Indonesia reef, I think you will see many similairities.... No disrespect intended Nate, I am sure you have a beautiful reef, perhaps you can post some pictures showing the OP your success running a sps reef without zeo... As I stated in another post, their are some phenomenal tanks out their running what you call "natural" that is for sure...

 

[Nate R]

Happy Reefing and good luck!

 

[plyle02]

Just for giggles, here is my tank when I was full blown zeovit, very much thinking of recharging my batteries for the 2nd version of my 70 gallon reef. I have everything needed and after reading this thread and much thought have returned after a 3 week break.

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[Nate R]

To each their own, I always say... I think it is important to at least have some experience before chiming in saying something to the effect of "Cheating"... That statement could not be anymore false, .............................................As I stated in another post, their are some phenomenal tanks out their running what you call "natural" that is for sure...

You your self had some issues with Zeo if i am not mistaken correct? lemme take that back it wasnt the Zeo, it was you trying to either ween your system off zeo or something that causes some problems? and the algae problems.

Sorta seems like with your experiences shared (thanks by the way for sharing without your honesty) and others systems i have kept up on. i don't think you can experiment, i think it is a commitment. am i right?

 

[plyle02]

Yes Nate you are correct, I was more than likely the culprit for why I had some issues with zeovit, for example starting the system with Live Sand, cause me more algae issues down the line. Also, my Alk creeped up to above 8.5kh, another No-No running the system. You are very much correct with commitment, I have to say I have made many mistakes with "Knee Jerk" reactions, so staying the course regadless of what system you run is key. I don't know you well enough for you to to make comments about my honesty, and not sure if you are trying to get personal with me, but I can assure you I meant you NO disrespect, I do however feel perhaps you are trying to do what I clearly said I was not. If this is the case, take it to PM, we can work it out there. Fair enough??? Thank you and best and kindest regards.