Zeovit - System
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fishmanstan
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^I'm in the same boat as u. Trying to calculate costs..
karsseboom
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Zeovit reactor for 120. Vertex 1.5 145.00
1 bag of zeostones 15.00
1 small bottle of zeobak 17.99
1 bottle of zeostart 3 39.99
That is the bare Minimal to get you started...
Allmost
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well, in 1 year, for a 100 Gallon stable Reef tank,
you need 6 bags of zeolith [every 2 months]
at max 0.8 ml of zeostart3 per day, 292 ml a year.
12 drops of Bak a week. ~~ 180 ml
6 bags of Carbon, [you can use Seachem Matrix instead which is a bit cheaper.]
other additives, not that much is used, like Xtra, Biomate and so on .... but of course it would be extra cost, Id say the usage of other elements are close to what Bak is.
you need 6 bags of zeolith [every 2 months]
at max 0.8 ml of zeostart3 per day, 292 ml a year.
12 drops of Bak a week. ~~ 180 ml
6 bags of Carbon, [you can use Seachem Matrix instead which is a bit cheaper.]
other additives, not that much is used, like Xtra, Biomate and so on .... but of course it would be extra cost, Id say the usage of other elements are close to what Bak is.
With just weekly 10% water changes and GFO, I'm getting 0.00Phos according to Hanna checker and undetectable nitrates according to my Salifert test kit. I do have minimal micro and macro algae that grows in my display, so I know nutrients are available. I currently supplement with Xtra and Coral Vitalizer and noticed a huge improvement in growth and color once I started using those additives which is why I thought perhaps going full blown zeovit might be even better. My dKH and other params are already around the zeovit recommendations. Would it be beneficial for me to go zeovit? I've been contemplating it, but don't know if it's worth the initial expense. I am pleased with growth and coloration.
Allmost
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how do the corals look ? if everything is going good with your reef and you are happy with it, I dont see a point in changing things around to be honest.
if you like to get rid of the macro and ... then you can start with dosing Start3 and zeobak, to help control the nutritions. instead of full Zeovit with the zeoliths and reactor.
if you like to get rid of the macro and ... then you can start with dosing Start3 and zeobak, to help control the nutritions. instead of full Zeovit with the zeoliths and reactor.
dvanacker
DID I SOUNDS SMRT??
I guess he had to look back that far to find a zeo TOTM ? I would say the vast majority of TOTM's on RC here are not zeovit systems.
I wont deny that zeovit can work, but at the same time you cant tell me its needed for nice colors and health. So to me personally the question remains why would I want to do it?
And I think full zeovit use has gone down over the last few years as our knowledge and equipment has gotten better, allowing people to acheive success by just doing the basics better.
Can we compare zeovit to painting by numbers, with a support group to help. Hey in zeo if your tank is too pale and you are starving the corals you can go onto the forum and they will tell you to add a few drops of this and that. With out zeo its a little more abstract.....
anyway..this is just my take on it. Oh and I think that yellow stag is just a green stag taken in bad white balance or actinic. I have taken shots under actinic of my tank that turns greens to that color. Or maybe Im wrong....what do you say Allmost?
Allmost
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honestly, I agree with your comments mostly ....
your tank is a good example of it
but I think you use pellets and or vodka dosing as well ? which makes it a bacterioplankton system same as zeovit ?
Zeovit is kinda like cheating I think I have posted this before as well ... other methods, work just as good in lowering nutritions, zeovit just gets there simpler. about the corals coloring supplements though ... honestly I like trying everything, and havent found anything quite like it yet. [but every tank is different so I could be wrong ]
about that green/yellow piece ... I really dont know I got it from Ken at SUM ... it was a wild smaller piece. grows kinda fast, but not as fast as stags. here are more pics under full lighting [I use 5 coral light, 4 blue and 1 fiji purple. all KZ, 10x80W T5]
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HEre it is about 8 months ago, when I first picked it up.
I really dont know if its yellow, or green lol I just like the colouring of it as its kinda fluorescent colored. according to Frick its a Acropora abrolhosensis.
oh and I am not good at white balance, so could be me I just use the canons program for these raw images.
thread for IDing with more pics http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2273448
its getting blasted with flow [MP60 and MP40 on other side] and light so ..
your tank is a good example of it
but I think you use pellets and or vodka dosing as well ? which makes it a bacterioplankton system same as zeovit ? Zeovit is kinda like cheating
I think I have posted this before as well ... other methods, work just as good in lowering nutritions, zeovit just gets there simpler. about the corals coloring supplements though ... honestly I like trying everything, and havent found anything quite like it yet. [but every tank is different so I could be wrong ]about that green/yellow piece ... I really dont know
I got it from Ken at SUM ... it was a wild smaller piece. grows kinda fast, but not as fast as stags. here are more pics under full lighting [I use 5 coral light, 4 blue and 1 fiji purple. all KZ, 10x80W T5]<a href="http://s1340.photobucket.com/user/voipa-z/media/Reef0102_zpseafb0288.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1340.photobucket.com/albums/o735/voipa-z/Reef0102_zpseafb0288.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo Reef0102_zpseafb0288.jpg"/></a>
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HEre it is about 8 months ago, when I first picked it up.
I really dont know if its yellow, or green lol I just like the colouring of it as its kinda fluorescent colored. according to Frick its a Acropora abrolhosensis.
oh and I am not good at white balance, so could be me
I just use the canons program for these raw images.thread for IDing with more pics http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2273448
its getting blasted with flow [MP60 and MP40 on other side] and light so ..
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karsseboom
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I friend of mine sent me that link marked as march totm, we are in march so I assumed it was recent. I don't think anybody is saying zeovit is the only way to achieve greatness, it's just one very proven method. Like allmost said you are running a bacteria driven system also and most people who are in the running for totm are as well.
karsseboom
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honestly, I agree with your comments mostly ....
your tank is a good example of it
Zeovit is kinda like cheating
about that green/yellow piece ... I really dont know
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HEre it is about 8 months ago, when I first picked it up.
I really dont know if its yellow, or green lol I just like the colouring of it as its kinda fluorescent colored. according to Frick its a Acropora abrolhosensis.
oh and I am not good at white balance, so could be me
thread for IDing with more pics http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2273448
its getting blasted with flow [MP60 and MP40 on other side] and light so ..
That's exactly what that coral is, I had a nice size one in my tank a while back. It's still a staghorn though.
dvanacker
DID I SOUNDS SMRT??
Nice tank Allmost.......
You are karsseboom are right....I do use biopellets and I think if you are running an SPS tank with out some form of carbon dosing (including zeo) you are missing out. Its basically an easier way to help keep nutrients low, while allowing me the ability to have a high fish/bioload and feed more. Again....not needed though, but considering biopellets are cheap and really low maintenance, I will continue to use them.
You are karsseboom are right....I do use biopellets and I think if you are running an SPS tank with out some form of carbon dosing (including zeo) you are missing out. Its basically an easier way to help keep nutrients low, while allowing me the ability to have a high fish/bioload and feed more. Again....not needed though, but considering biopellets are cheap and really low maintenance, I will continue to use them.
karsseboom
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I ran zeo on my last tank and I have a new build in the process. I was not sure if I was going to use zeovit on this system. After some thinking I decided to just use it. For me it's an easy way to keep nutrients under control just like any other method. I like the fact it's a balanced system and I don't have to run gfo or refugiums etc..
It's not a magic potion just a bacteria driven system which allows your to fine tune colors.
Bugger
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You use it so your bias. Think about it lets take you or me for instance and then give us 5 to 10 drops of lets say coolaid or vodka or vitamins does it really make a difference? does it change anything. Zeovit users kept their tanks clean and well maintaned so of course they have nice color. I've seen the same color on other tanks not using it. Its a rip off and all their products are over priced. As much as you want to believe in it its just not all what its cracked up to be.
brad65ford
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I havent used it but it sure looks good compared to others
Arkayology
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So don't use it, but don't complain that others use it. Everyone has a different way of attempting to get the same results.
Allmost
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does giving me 10 drops of vodka do anything ? yes makes me want to have a smoke after
does giving your reef tank 10 drops of kalk mix do anything ? yes it will shoot PH up, increase alk and ca++
does dosing your tank with organic carbon do anything ? yes it provides Carbon for bacteria, which in turn reproduce and take up N and P with them
does overdose of iodine do anything ? yes it will kill everything due to iodine poisoning.
so yes, the 5-10 drops of this and that does make a difference
not my opinion or my bias, this is science
:artist:
MammothReefer
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I ran a hybrid zeo system in the past. I liked it, it worked. These days though I'm about simplicity. I started back up with Biopellets and took them off a couple years ago at this point I'd rather just have less fish.
In feb/march I was out of town for 3 weeks or so. The tank was unattended for one week, and the other 2 my gf just fed the tank every few days. All I had to do was setup a 45gallon bin with RO/DI for the ATO and it was set. When I came home I did a water change and that was it.
For the most part I'm happy with my colours, I do think there is room for improvement of course but I think there are a lot of other things I can do first before digging my heals back into a carbon system to help my corals along that path. Either way though. I just don't like having to worry that if something changes in my schedule I may risk crashing the tank if I can't dose for a week. (which makes biopellets more attractive to me)
In feb/march I was out of town for 3 weeks or so. The tank was unattended for one week, and the other 2 my gf just fed the tank every few days. All I had to do was setup a 45gallon bin with RO/DI for the ATO and it was set. When I came home I did a water change and that was it.
For the most part I'm happy with my colours, I do think there is room for improvement of course but I think there are a lot of other things I can do first before digging my heals back into a carbon system to help my corals along that path. Either way though. I just don't like having to worry that if something changes in my schedule I may risk crashing the tank if I can't dose for a week. (which makes biopellets more attractive to me)
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