ZeoVit system?

[Horace]

I would not use the basic 4 without using all components which include the zeolites. The zeolites are very important to the whole system. W/out them I dont think the other things would be nearly as effective. I think you would actually see better results by adding the coral vitalizer and amino acids rather than using the basic 4 since you already have low nutrients. The basic 4 are designed to keep nutrients low, and also feed your corals with the mulm they produce.

 

[icliao]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7688921#post7688921 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Horace
I would not use the basic 4 without using all components which include the zeolites. The zeolites are very important to the whole system. W/out them I dont think the other things would be nearly as effective. I think you would actually see better results by adding the coral vitalizer and amino acids rather than using the basic 4 since you already have low nutrients. The basic 4 are designed to keep nutrients low, and also feed your corals with the mulm they produce.

What about ZeoSpur2?

I have 2 tanks and I intend to do experiment on ZeoVit, one with Zeolite and another without but set both to low nutrient.

 

[redFishblue]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7688898#post7688898 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by F18-Hornet
Here is my tank running Zeovit basic 4 only after 1 month.
Brand new tank, rock cooked.
and after one month, can't be better than this without Zeovit.

A month is too soon to say either way, unless your old tank at one month was noticeably worse. Your tank at this point would probably look the same with or without Zeovit.
Long term is another question

 

[icliao]

One of my tank (200GL) has Nitrate about 4 ppm. Is it possible to use ZeoVit system to bring it down to 0? There is no Sulfur reactor as in my 500GL?

By the way, the below are some of the corals in my 500GL. Do you think there is chance to improve its color with ZeoVit?

 

[ReefRockerLive]

Your coral coloration looks fine to me. I'd recommend trying the Coral Vitalizer and Amino Acids High Concentrate. If you tank has low nutrients then you may have gotten to the point were you may need to start feeding your corals.
Both CV and AAHC will help acros in coloring up even further along with better polyp extension.

HTH

 

[sangraal]

Can some zeo users post some picture to compare How much of an improvement icliao can expect in his system? that might be very helpful for him and others.

 

[PUGroyale]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7688864#post7688864 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Horace
I am no scientist, but from the articles I have read concerning zeolites as filters for seawater, everything I have stated is accurate. Feel free to read it for yourself. I would like to see where your expert opinion was derived....

Thanks H, I've read that. I'm no expert either I developed my opinions from reading lengthy RC threads where this was discussed ad nauseam, some of which Jens Kallmeyer even participated in. IIRC Randy Holmes-Farley, Habib, Solbby, Bomber... all disagreed that the system/rocks could work in seawater in this fashion. Not to say the method doesn't work... just not quite like that. It's far more likely the elevated bacteria levels achieved from dosing a carbon source make quick work of any available NH3 rather than any ion exchange within the rock. It was also speculated that the porous nature of the zeolites allows Fe to leach which in turn binds with PO4 in the water column.

Truth is nobody except Pohl can say for sure :lol: Even Kallmeyer states it would be almost impossible to prove his hypothesis.

I agree with Icliao... the only way to know is to try it out for yourself

 

[GTR]

Did I miss something? and E. Boreman tried ZEOvit. I don't think it's an issue of money as I'm sure there would be money dropping from the sky to prove/disprove the product, even enough I'm sure to actually pay the salary for someone to try/test it.

Someone please give me an update, I quit reading the authors works back when he/they reviewed the Vodka article and we weren't given the opportunity to read the original.

Save the whales.

SteveU

 

[Nanook]

This thread is taking a familiar turn....let's get it back on track so it doesn't get out of hand. Thanks guys and gals!

 

[Horace]

The simple fact is that Zeovit DOES work....To be honest, I could care less how it works, so long as it does.

However, it is not a miracle system. Like I said before if your nutrients are low already, do not expect instant nuclear neon pop. I started using Zeovit after I already had acheived a nutrient poor environment. I did not notice any significant change in my colors. I am continuing to use it because I believe it will keep my nutrients low for the long haul. Could I achieve this in other ways??? Absolutely!

 

[PUGroyale]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7690961#post7690961 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Horace
The simple fact is that Zeovit DOES work....

I did not notice any significant change in my colors.

Could I achieve this in other ways??? Absolutely!

I can't argue with you

 

[Nanook]

Excellent...way to go gents!

Dave :thumbsup:

 

[DitchPlains2]

hey man

hey man

Chadfarmer

why be so narrow minded and make posts like that

Hey man I never knocked you for trying, I bought Mark Weiss products, heck I've been sold too, we all do whatever we can or think will help our corals grow better and look better, infact we're all practicing good animal husbandry by trying to be better care givers to our inhabitants, albeit for selfish reasons; ie: better coloration.

Anyways, from all that I have read and from previous people buying this expensive stuff, and from seeing numerous tanks both dsb and bb that do not use this stuff, with amazing colors. ie: Steve Weast, Jb Ny, etc... the list goes on and on. I just cant see this as anything more then snake oil, maybe I'm just too skeptical, I like to think of it as common sense. Hey my dad told me long ago, if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, its probably a duck.

I do applaud you guys for trying, but some part of me goes, its never going to be anything more then biased opinions especially with the money being thrown at it hoping zeovit will work by the aqaurists using it. Now if somebody wants to do a double blind study were the user isn't directly effecting the results, then sure I'll buy it, but we all know it wont happen.

Again, I'm just cynical when it comes to reef products as they all try to do "MAGIC," when mother ocean does it ten times better with sheer stability and clariity of water.

good luck lets see more examples like Iwan's and I'm a buyer, til then no sale amigos

cheers
David:lol:

 

[CAreefer]

I'm not at home right now so I don't have access to all my pics. These are from my gallery. You'll also notice the brown algae covering the rocks has gone away.

Desalwi Jan. 06

Jun. 06

Pulchra Feb. 06

June 06

Secale Feb. 06

June 06

That's all I have for now.

Been "using" since dec 04

Can you be successful without? absolutely.
Is it the only way? absolutely not.
Would I do it again? probably.
Is it expensive? yes, with a large volume of water at least.

CAReefer

 

[CAreefer]

I deleted this post several times before deciding to reply, but decided what the heck.

Please do not take this as a personal attack as that is NOT my intention, and I apologize in advance if I offend.

David, I was putting the above post together while you were wording yours so elegantly. I have never engaged in the typical banter and won't start now. I agree with the majority of your post, but I do have one point of contention. The definition of "snake oil" per dictionary dot com

snake oil
n.
A worthless preparation fraudulently peddled as a cure for many ills.
Speech or writing intended to deceive; humbug.

I feel the effectiveness of the product has thouroughly disproven this title.

As previously stated there are many other ways to achieve the same results. Admittedly, I am somewhat biased but try to remain objective at the same time.

You mention several outstanding aquarists that maintain excellent reefs. I would not consider them the "average" aquarist that typically would benefit from the zeo system. These guys are IMHO head and shoulders above most hobbiest, myself included.

Enjoy your evening.
CAReefer

 

[F35-Joint Strike Fighter]

CAReefer,

Just wondering that the brown algea on those pics Jan 06 are now gone away?

 

[CAreefer]

F-18, Yes the brown algae is now completely gone. Thanks mainly to the addition of a Naso Tang, and the low nutrient environment I've been keeping.

 

[DitchPlains2]

careefer

careefer

First amazing pics, whatever your doing your doing right. I love the desalwi great growth n coloration. I am curious though your saying your colony doubled in size in less then 4 months time? I think your grits are cooking faster then mine or anybodys lol. I just don't think its all about zeovit, looks like your doing a good job in your husbandry. Listen if it works god bless ya, I would give it a go, but I can't justify the money when I know I could do more when it comes to maintence and routines in my own tank to create stability.

These guys are IMHO head and shoulders above most hobbiest, myself included.

Yeah, they sure are! They are my inpisiration, that hopefully one day I can be somewhere decent at this end of the hobby and be wise enough to establish an amazing tank as well.

best of luck with your tank. I just have seen this product shot down enough by much smarter and more experienced folks then myself, and for very good reasons. I will give them one kudos, that being that amino acids are integral to corla coloration, but you dont need some bag of rocks to achieve that.

cheers, and great tank btw

David:thumbsup:

 

[chadfarmer]

DitchPlains2


no harm, no foul

i havent spent the kind of money most people, my additives will last longer than 6 months on my size tank

zeovit makes you do husbantry for the system maintain proper levels and do weekly water changes

 

[CAreefer]

Re: careefer

Re: careefer

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7696398#post7696398 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by DitchPlains2
I am curious though your saying your colony doubled in size in less then 4 months time?

cheers, and great tank btw

David:thumbsup:

David, first off, thanks for the compliments.

I'm not saying anything. I posted the pics to speak for themselves. BTW, its 6 months, Jan 06 to June 06.

"I think your grits are cooking faster then mine or anybodys lol."
Priceless!!:lol:

"I just don't think its all about zeovit"
I couldn't agree with this statement more. I might have been just as happy/successful with Rowaphos or Phosban. But to me it was risk management. When I was researching methods for phosphate control there were a lot of RC posts regarding negative affects/effects (never know which one to use) from the various FO/AI products. There were a few loses with the initial Start (carbon source) but the version 2.0, Start2 has rectified the majority of the overdose concerns.

In my mind it is simply one way to control phosphates. If nothing else it taught me to check everything that goes into the tank from WC water to make up water to Reactor media for phosphates. Of the 3 CA rx media I tested, the lowest was still .07 with my colorimeter. And that was after 7 days of daily soaking and changing RO/DI.

"I know I could do more when it comes to maintence and routines in my own tank to create stability."
This too plays a major role in success for ANY method used to maintain a reef environment. We all should look deeply into ourselves and ask "am I doing everything I can with basic husbandry to succeed?"


You have a beautiful tank too BTW. Cruised your gallery.

Thanks for keeping it civil guys.
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