130 X 36 x 36 inbound...any suggestions?
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Have disturbing news. Narcosis shocked out on us during drip. I think we had very different temps. Nya had him at 79. Our tank is 74 andcwe floated bagvfirst before drip. Water must have cooled quick and croke. So mad at myself. Ibthink if i didnt float and just dripped itvwould be alive
H.reidi.MN
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Man lots of serious losses over the last few weeks 
I haven't heard from Rufus yet regarding shipping and the peppermint is still with me.
His (the peppermint, not Rufus) favorite food is frozen Hikari bio pure brine shrimp. Chopped up small.
ingtar_shinowa
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I hear Rufus prefers PE mysis
jnc914
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How long was the Narcosis being kept at 79 degrees? That can be stressful for a deepwater fish as delicate as a Narcosis, or any deep water fish for that matter. Despite the fact that there is a video of the fish eating, Copps has mentioned in one of his many angel threads that he believes that warmer water speeds up the metabolism of a deep water fish and provides less oxygenation, which may ultimately lead to stress and death of the fish if kept at a high temp. Was the Peppermint also kept at 79 degrees? Hopefully NYA didn't try to dump $10K of store credit on you for this fish...
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may be they kept it around 76-77 and by the time it reached to drew's home it rose to 79..it is hard to believe they will keep this fish at such high temp...
Nya kept it at 79. He thought they collected at 78 but it was 76. I think he just didnt care and the temp change back from 79 to 74 75 i guess wasbtoo much for this little guy. No other reasin why it stroked out in our drip bucket. What he does with us on credit i do not know yet.
pktech
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Wow man you seem to be taking this rather well (calm at least!). I might have missed it, but how long did you acclimate him for? Did the salinity match yours?
Sorry to hear about your loss.
Maximus
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I just don't see how a 3-4 degree change in temp was the culprit in the death. Are you sure it was healthy to begin with? I really would question NYA's method of shipping and would make sure it was healthy to begin with. I don't think your at fault here Hedgedrew. How long was it drip acclimated for? Did you check ph levels in the bag and then in the bucket while you drip acclimated the fish? Ph levels in the bag are usually low and when you drip acclimate it, the levels rise. Sometimes, people use co2 to lower the ph in the drip so it could match the ph in the bag, which could help with ammonia levels. Even with that said, it does sound strange that the fish would die while being acclimated in the bucket.
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pktech
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A belated :lmao: ... good one
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Was the narc shipped or picked up? When did you find out the temperature of nya's tank? I'm trying to piece this together ... I agree w/ Maximus that a few degrees shouldn't kill him especially if he's been in captivity for a few weeks, right? Or are there different rules for deepwater species?
Interesting to say the least.
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Allmost
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a few degrees change, change in oxygen level, ammonium turning into ammonia, and the shipping stress can all lead to something like this, with fish this delicate and small.
its not our normal tang or even normal angel he is dealing with.
same story with many wrasses ... thats why I buy my wrasses in summer ... just the ride home in winter has killed many !
really sorry for the loss.es and thank you both for being so open to share with us.
its not our normal tang or even normal angel he is dealing with.
same story with many wrasses ... thats why I buy my wrasses in summer ... just the ride home in winter has killed many !
really sorry for the loss.es and thank you both for being so open to share with us.
Maximus
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You're right on. Ammonia in the bag is higher when a fish is shipped. I totally overlooked that. I wonder if Amquel or some other ammonia neutralizing agent was added to the bag before they shipped it? How long did you drip acclimate it for? I know that if you drip acclimated for a long time, ammonia levels would increase due to the higher ph drip water. If I shipped an expensive fish like that, I'd use every trick in the trade to insure its safety in transit.
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Guys thx for all support but hevwasvonly in bag for an hour or 2 I have only one more new thought. I might be guilty of opeming the bag too quickly ant turnin it over andvmaybr the fish hit its head in the bucket. I do remember the fish flying out ofthe bag first maybe before enough water was in.
ccampbell57
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The big issue is how much light was in the room when you took him out? Remember these are fish that are caught 450+ ft and there is very little light there. I have seen fish of mine litterally take a last gasp when in the bucket because they are scared to death by something (usually it is me snapping pictures with a flash)
A couple of degrees off will not kill the fish.
Your issue is most likely that you were over excited and forgot that they need to be acclimated in the dark or in a dim plae to relax. They are shipped in a 100% dark bag for up to 24 hours and then BOOM we take them out with bright flashing cameras and Handel them and then dump them into a Bucket.
This is a perfect example of why I leave my fish be when I first get them. I don't look at them for at least 8 hours. Also dripping for anything over 45 minutes is a very bad thing. You want to remove any ammonia already in the bag and get the fish into fresh water ASAP.
A couple of degrees off will not kill the fish.
Your issue is most likely that you were over excited and forgot that they need to be acclimated in the dark or in a dim plae to relax. They are shipped in a 100% dark bag for up to 24 hours and then BOOM we take them out with bright flashing cameras and Handel them and then dump them into a Bucket.
This is a perfect example of why I leave my fish be when I first get them. I don't look at them for at least 8 hours. Also dripping for anything over 45 minutes is a very bad thing. You want to remove any ammonia already in the bag and get the fish into fresh water ASAP.
I don't know for sure...but I think that Andrew picked up the fish at NYA, which is probably only an hour from his home... It was not shipped!
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