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Just Reefin'
oh I was joking, heck not even ready for another one anyways.. maybe someday. I'll admire Your guys' for now.
2 blue gigs.
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oh I was joking, heck not even ready for another one anyways.. maybe someday. I'll admire Your guys' for now.
taylor t
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I feel paralized. I don't want to make rash reaction, but they still drag on. I went out of town for a few days, came back, and KH dropped to 6, from normal 10. Calcium is still at 450. I haven't tested mag yet, but I know what the b-ionic looks like when added if the mag is low (it snows differently before it disolves) and it looks good (I know, I need to test it).
Haddoni was no where to be seen when I got back last night, sucked into gravel. I dosed heavy KH before I left, hoping KH would drift down a LITTLE lower while I was gone, not a lot lower. It must have backfired, it dropped faster than normal. I upped it to 9 last night, (just got back last night), today they all look like they have, just on the fence. All 3 gigs ate today, and haddoni did not eat. Haddoni is bottomless pit normally. I'm afraid to do cipro, it's a major hastle (QT tank currently has clowns I'd have to rehome). They don't deflate as far as I can tell, but still look eh, bla to me (except green, super hairy and no sign of a mouth on it, completely covered in tentacles). Green looks fantastic, eats really fast. Both blue gigs ate, but very slow. Haddoni reacted very weak, and then let food go.
Here is today.
This guy has an open mouth, but I can't get a good pic of it.
This guy still has open mouth.
This guy seems to be doing amazing.
24 hours ago, this guy was MIA. Looks ok today, but wouldn't eat.
I still feel like I'm paralized. I don't know what to do to improve these guys with out making big changes, like rehoming. If I cipro them, I'd be rehoming a pair of clowns I've had for years (was hoping to put them in here when they all settled in). I thought I was done with cipro. Maybe not... going on weeks like this now.
My gut is saying to rehome the haddoni first.
Haddoni was no where to be seen when I got back last night, sucked into gravel. I dosed heavy KH before I left, hoping KH would drift down a LITTLE lower while I was gone, not a lot lower. It must have backfired, it dropped faster than normal. I upped it to 9 last night, (just got back last night), today they all look like they have, just on the fence. All 3 gigs ate today, and haddoni did not eat. Haddoni is bottomless pit normally. I'm afraid to do cipro, it's a major hastle (QT tank currently has clowns I'd have to rehome). They don't deflate as far as I can tell, but still look eh, bla to me (except green, super hairy and no sign of a mouth on it, completely covered in tentacles). Green looks fantastic, eats really fast. Both blue gigs ate, but very slow. Haddoni reacted very weak, and then let food go.
Here is today.
This guy has an open mouth, but I can't get a good pic of it.
This guy still has open mouth.
This guy seems to be doing amazing.
24 hours ago, this guy was MIA. Looks ok today, but wouldn't eat.
I still feel like I'm paralized. I don't know what to do to improve these guys with out making big changes, like rehoming. If I cipro them, I'd be rehoming a pair of clowns I've had for years (was hoping to put them in here when they all settled in). I thought I was done with cipro. Maybe not... going on weeks like this now.
My gut is saying to rehome the haddoni first.
OrionN
Moved on
I don't know what to tell you. This is what I would try:
1st I try large volume water change 50% plus weekly.
After several times of this if not improve, I would start remove anemones. Either remove the least valuable (sell, give, board to other tanks), or the sickest, or the different species first, take your pick.
If you have multiple system line me, just swab them around, trying to isolate the one that you think is worst. As it is, I am not sure if treating with Cipro would help.
What ever you do, good luck.
1st I try large volume water change 50% plus weekly.
After several times of this if not improve, I would start remove anemones. Either remove the least valuable (sell, give, board to other tanks), or the sickest, or the different species first, take your pick.
If you have multiple system line me, just swab them around, trying to isolate the one that you think is worst. As it is, I am not sure if treating with Cipro would help.
What ever you do, good luck.
BonsaiNut
Premium Member
The only other thought I would offer based on NO scientific evidence...
I would consider pulling your macro algae. I know it sounds weird, but I have had problems keeping coral, anemones, etc, in closed systems with a lot of macro algae - especially the caulerpa varieties. You have a ton of caulerpa which might be impacting your water chemistry (particularly pH stability) and dissolved oxygen levels (particularly at night).
Many people who keep macro algae put it in a refugium on a reverse light cycle than the main display tank.
I would consider pulling your macro algae. I know it sounds weird, but I have had problems keeping coral, anemones, etc, in closed systems with a lot of macro algae - especially the caulerpa varieties. You have a ton of caulerpa which might be impacting your water chemistry (particularly pH stability) and dissolved oxygen levels (particularly at night).
Many people who keep macro algae put it in a refugium on a reverse light cycle than the main display tank.
taylor t
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ptr13
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Hope your guys pull through Dave, mine was not so lucky from the poisoning of the other nem, so one of my large blue but two gigs are doing well and keep us posted. He went through cipro without luck, looked good for a couple days then bite the dust so had to pull the plug since it deflated.
taylor t
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Pete, that really sucks to hear...
Tom, I don't think you have anything to worry about... Just a couple knuckleheads over here that can't keep up with daily tasks.... I'm working on it... I did remove a bunch of macro, but still have more to remove.
I can't post photo's right now, but when my email gets fixed this week, I will. Not much to report. Green gig is doing very well. I may have to agree with you D-NAK, you may be on to something with gig fighting. The 2 blues I have are in meds right now, both look the same, mouths open, but there's something to them that looks like they've "perked" up a little, tentacle wise and inflation wise, but not how I like to see. Only on 2 days of cipro, I'm going to do 5-7 if they can hold up to it. They should. I'm hoping I didn't wait too long to start the re-treatment.
I'm not sure why both blues decided to go downhill after doing well for a while. And, why is the green doing so well right now? It's over doubled in size since I got it, tents have gotten very long, and has gotten very nice coloration to it. Eats fast. I don't get it.
Tom, I don't think you have anything to worry about... Just a couple knuckleheads over here that can't keep up with daily tasks....
I'm working on it... I did remove a bunch of macro, but still have more to remove.I can't post photo's right now, but when my email gets fixed this week, I will. Not much to report. Green gig is doing very well. I may have to agree with you D-NAK, you may be on to something with gig fighting. The 2 blues I have are in meds right now, both look the same, mouths open, but there's something to them that looks like they've "perked" up a little, tentacle wise and inflation wise, but not how I like to see. Only on 2 days of cipro, I'm going to do 5-7 if they can hold up to it. They should. I'm hoping I didn't wait too long to start the re-treatment.
I'm not sure why both blues decided to go downhill after doing well for a while. And, why is the green doing so well right now? It's over doubled in size since I got it, tents have gotten very long, and has gotten very nice coloration to it. Eats fast. I don't get it.
taylor t
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Not much to update. I think the two blues are done. I tried to feed them last night, both spit out the food (took forever to eat it) and food was not consumed at all. Looked the same as it went in, they won't process it.
Today:
I think I'm going to stop cipro treatment and just let them go. They won't turn around. I'm spinning my wheels.
Here's the green. It processes food like a champ. Eats fast, always looks good.
I don't get it. No sense.
Today:
I think I'm going to stop cipro treatment and just let them go. They won't turn around. I'm spinning my wheels.
Here's the green. It processes food like a champ. Eats fast, always looks good.
I don't get it. No sense.
taylor t
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Thanks Minh and Pete.
One thing I found interesting. While I have been treating the blue gigs, I pulled the cut one out of the water, hung upside down to inspect the column and foot to see if there were any traces of it being cut. None. No sign of it ever being cut. No cut lines. Mouth shows no sign, other than one tooth is smaller than the other right now, but growing... atleast was... Disk shows no sign. This pic is lights off this morning, before they wake up. They are like this all night, no severe deflate anymore, but this is pretty pathetic, IMO.
This is after an hour of lights. Tried to feed last night again. No digestion is happening. They release it in the same form a couple hours later.
My past experience, once they look like this, they have checked out. They don't change the form of food going in. It's like they are a shell of a creature, the main insides have already died, I'm just keeping the shell alive. Now, I think I waited too long to feed them. It's hard to judge too much, too little, too early, too late.... until they are established and healthy, when it doesn't really matter...
I'm doing 100% water changes every day, with 24 hour aged fresh saltwater. The cut one was soooo evident it was cut when Pete first sold it to me. The mouth was literally right on the edge of the disk, with no tents between the mouth and the edge. Now, look at the pics. Can't tell it was ever cut. It has moved to the center, looks just like every other dead gig that comes in. Just some info some may find interesting.
I DO NOT RECOMMEND CUTTING THEM.
One thing I found interesting. While I have been treating the blue gigs, I pulled the cut one out of the water, hung upside down to inspect the column and foot to see if there were any traces of it being cut. None. No sign of it ever being cut. No cut lines. Mouth shows no sign, other than one tooth is smaller than the other right now, but growing... atleast was... Disk shows no sign. This pic is lights off this morning, before they wake up. They are like this all night, no severe deflate anymore, but this is pretty pathetic, IMO.
This is after an hour of lights. Tried to feed last night again. No digestion is happening. They release it in the same form a couple hours later.
My past experience, once they look like this, they have checked out. They don't change the form of food going in. It's like they are a shell of a creature, the main insides have already died, I'm just keeping the shell alive. Now, I think I waited too long to feed them. It's hard to judge too much, too little, too early, too late.... until they are established and healthy, when it doesn't really matter...
I'm doing 100% water changes every day, with 24 hour aged fresh saltwater. The cut one was soooo evident it was cut when Pete first sold it to me. The mouth was literally right on the edge of the disk, with no tents between the mouth and the edge. Now, look at the pics. Can't tell it was ever cut. It has moved to the center, looks just like every other dead gig that comes in. Just some info some may find interesting.
I DO NOT RECOMMEND CUTTING THEM.
xrayjeeper83
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People may assume if it eats it's OK.
