EleganceMan
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my new coral from liveaquaria got delayed a day so it will be here tomorrow....i will post some pics.
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EleganceMan
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anyone know of a good invert or fish that will keep my sand nice and white but not bother my corals or clams that are on the bottom. I had a nice diamond goby but it caused a lot of problems with the corals on the sand bed. Always tipping them over by digging under them.
dancewithethan
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It was not easy at first, but after I went through the process of elimination, it was down to the one live rock that I added later into the tank which cause the algae bloom. moreover, because of the DI water unit which fail to remove P04. as a result, I keep adding P04 into the tank without me knowing it except the algae.
How I test the rock: remove the suspected rock into a container with SW and for the next days or so keep testing the container's water for P04.
Concerning your sand, IME I installed good powerheads to really move water in the tank. it also helps with the algae problem.
Question, where did you get your water from? perhaps you can do what I did, test the water for P04 before you put it into your fish tank. Good luck
EleganceMan
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i do use tap water......i know not good....but Fargo does have really good water....almost undetectable phosphates and 7.9 ph... i have not cheated TDS but hardness is good also. I use some water conditioner for top off and thats it for now.... i need to get a good tds meter. But i do beleive my tank is going through a cycle because of all the recent changes...ie: ich meds, removing fish, new large piece of rock... and still new tank anyway.
EleganceMan
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^ checked tds....thats what i meant!
EleganceMan
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http://www.liveaquaria.com/diversden/detailed_image.cfm?DDID=56843
i really want to buy this fish.... anyone have one in there reef. i have done some research and from what i have read they are one of the better triggers to try in a reef. but this one is so big i dont know.... i have three cleaner shrimp i would be concerned with?
i really want to buy this fish.... anyone have one in there reef. i have done some research and from what i have read they are one of the better triggers to try in a reef. but this one is so big i dont know.... i have three cleaner shrimp i would be concerned with?
dancewithethan
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I bet you it's the water, it does not take much of P04 for the algae to thrive on. basically, every time you added water into your tank the algae consumed it so fast that when you test your water for P04 it read zero. I know this because that's what happen to my tank. How about investing in a good RO/DI unit or get filtered water form your LFS? also install a P04 canister or media bag. I know that SPS don't do too well with even low P04 level. Give it a try, there is nothing to loose but your algae.
EleganceMan
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that makes sense. Do you think that with my refugium and all the macro algae in there that it would be a good idea to eliminate phosphates completely. I mean if they are not even registering on my test kits is that not low enough for corals....because i really dont mind some of the algae... I plan on putting all my tangs back into the DT in two more weeks...so they will eat most of the stuff down to nothing.
On another note....I just ordered that trigger...wish me luck.
On another note....I just ordered that trigger...wish me luck.
john rochon
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okay this thread is VERY irritating. you don't seem to get it or want to take advice. your tank looks terrible and your killing stuff left and right!!!!!! STOP ADDING STUFF and get some knowledge on how to keep a reef properly. STOP adding corals.
you add new sand on top of old essentialy killing your sandbed and then put clams on top that die. I also see an anenome in there etc.. and I won't even go there with the powders and 3 yellows?? whats with you?
you add new sand on top of old essentialy killing your sandbed and then put clams on top that die. I also see an anenome in there etc.. and I won't even go there with the powders and 3 yellows?? whats with you?
Seriously. Please, read some of these posts, and realize you need to stop.
It has been about 2 weeks since all your problems began, and you are still bragging about adding "The most expensive LPS on Liveaquaria"
You Need to Slow down.
DO NOT Buy a Crosshatch to throw in there. Please cancel that order. This is absolutely insane.
Your hobby experience says since 1990. Im not trying to "hate" but if you have seriously had 18+ Years keeping reefs, you would be going about this a different way than you are.
SLOW DOWN.
You cannot just keep throwing things in a tank and expect them to survive.
Your setup is fine for a start-up reef, but it is far from anything over the top.
Stop thinking of it as the ultimate setup that can handle anything. It cant.
You mentioned that you like to do things that other people haven't tried, and that's what gets the hobby further. I understand your thinking, however, your methodology is a little off. Stick with the basics, and tried and true methods first and you will be happier with the results. After you have an established tank, and everything is going well for a few years, then start trying things, but get the basics down first!
PLEASE TAKE SOME OF THIS ADVICE.
It has been about 2 weeks since all your problems began, and you are still bragging about adding "The most expensive LPS on Liveaquaria"
You Need to Slow down.
DO NOT Buy a Crosshatch to throw in there. Please cancel that order. This is absolutely insane.
Your hobby experience says since 1990. Im not trying to "hate" but if you have seriously had 18+ Years keeping reefs, you would be going about this a different way than you are.
SLOW DOWN.
You cannot just keep throwing things in a tank and expect them to survive.
Your setup is fine for a start-up reef, but it is far from anything over the top.
Stop thinking of it as the ultimate setup that can handle anything. It cant.
You mentioned that you like to do things that other people haven't tried, and that's what gets the hobby further. I understand your thinking, however, your methodology is a little off. Stick with the basics, and tried and true methods first and you will be happier with the results. After you have an established tank, and everything is going well for a few years, then start trying things, but get the basics down first!
PLEASE TAKE SOME OF THIS ADVICE.
not only that, but using tap water? I don't care how good the tap water is there, you're introducing chlorine and other unnecessary elements to that water, creating all that algae and killing those clams.
Really............you're beyond the newbie thing, you're just being foolhardy now.
Really............you're beyond the newbie thing, you're just being foolhardy now.
EleganceMan
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ok...i will take your guys advice and slow down. Also i am investing in a rodi unit....what is a good one!
EleganceMan
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Do bristle worms harm clams feet?
EleganceMan
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I do use tap water conditioner that is supposed to eliminate chlorine and other bad elements. Do they not work?
john rochon
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SPECTRAPURE RO/DI UNITS.
theres more to tap water than chlorine/chloramine and it can fluctuate often.
theres more to tap water than chlorine/chloramine and it can fluctuate often.
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14587522#post14587522 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by EleganceMan
THIS SHOULD BE A GOOD START
LMAO in the beginning of this thread when you said the tank was cycling, I see a blue Linckia starfish. I'm pretty confident that it's dead by now.
EleganceMan
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I have never used one of these.... if i remember right dont they waiste a lot of water? How often do you have to replace the filters?
Here is my response after reading your entire thread. It is not my intention to attack you. There is no gain from replying to this thread except maybe to prevent a few more deaths in this tank.
You're begging for some advice so here goes:
1. You're adding fish too fast.
2. Don't add a ton of live rock to an already established tank. You will cause it to go into cycle.
3. Don't just cover your entire sand bed with new sand. You'll cause a cycle with this as well.
4. Don't over-feed.
5. Do more water changes and take your time with testing parameters.
6. Don't buy claims, tangs or starfish or coral in less than three months after your tank has cycled.
7. All of that food in the blender is a little much for the amount of fish you had at the time.
8. Tanks going through a cycle do not usually look that green.
9. Use RO/DI water for all water changes and top off. This will take patience.
10 Bio-balls are garbage, remove them.
11. Run a good carbon. Change it every thirty days.
12. Run some GFO even if you think your P04 is zero. Your tank clearly has a nutrient problem. I guarantee it does if you're using tap water.
13. You said you have been doing this for 10 years. If this is true, I sincerely doubt you would forget the part about quarantining fish before adding them to your display tank.
14. An elegance coral in a ~5 month old tank... I'm dying over here.
15. Disposable income and lack of patience is a bad combination in this hobby.
You ask:
"why do you need to take things slow if you have a setup like mine and all the parameters look good and stable"
The reason is that your tank is not mature. The bio filter is delicate at first and cannot take on too much of a bioload. You added over 6 fish at one time and on top of that - four of them were tangs.
"Like i said before what is it that happens to a new tank as it ages....because from what i know after the tank goes through its first cycle and stablizes...and parameters and good and maintaining.....a lot of corals still are not able to thrive. I don't understand why that is....i know it just is. but what changes over time?"
The tank needs time to mature. The bio-filter is not strong enough yet. Adding corals to a new tank is like putting a child behind the wheel of a car. You can almost guarantee a crash.
By the looks of it, you would be better off with some colorful freshwater fish. To be completely honest.
You say:
"I would grab my wifes hair clippers and cut off tons of pieces and put them in a pile of rubble"
Those clippers are probably rusted by now right?
"a week later they would be attached and growing. They are a very strong coral..."
It would -have- to be a strong coral to live in this tank.
"maybe you should look a little closer.....has anyone with more experience that what i have actually given me any advice.....or even attempted to answer any questions i have posted. NO!"
You do not appear to be taking advice from anyone. Several people have told you that bio-balls are junk yet you refuse to remove them. Obviously it is ultimately your choice but you can't exactly complain that no one is giving you any advice. Many probably see this tank as a lost cause.
"Most of the people who post telling me to slow down is because they cant think of any real advice to give"
Not quite.
"do you key peoples nice cars too because you drive a beater!!!!"
Oh brother. Step one would be to admit fault and learn from your mistakes. You beg for advice and then condemn everyone. You do not know their financial situation to say such things. It takes more than money to be successful in this hobby. CLEARLY.
You're begging for some advice so here goes:
1. You're adding fish too fast.
2. Don't add a ton of live rock to an already established tank. You will cause it to go into cycle.
3. Don't just cover your entire sand bed with new sand. You'll cause a cycle with this as well.
4. Don't over-feed.
5. Do more water changes and take your time with testing parameters.
6. Don't buy claims, tangs or starfish or coral in less than three months after your tank has cycled.
7. All of that food in the blender is a little much for the amount of fish you had at the time.
8. Tanks going through a cycle do not usually look that green.
9. Use RO/DI water for all water changes and top off. This will take patience.
10 Bio-balls are garbage, remove them.
11. Run a good carbon. Change it every thirty days.
12. Run some GFO even if you think your P04 is zero. Your tank clearly has a nutrient problem. I guarantee it does if you're using tap water.
13. You said you have been doing this for 10 years. If this is true, I sincerely doubt you would forget the part about quarantining fish before adding them to your display tank.
14. An elegance coral in a ~5 month old tank... I'm dying over here.
15. Disposable income and lack of patience is a bad combination in this hobby.
You ask:
"why do you need to take things slow if you have a setup like mine and all the parameters look good and stable"
The reason is that your tank is not mature. The bio filter is delicate at first and cannot take on too much of a bioload. You added over 6 fish at one time and on top of that - four of them were tangs.
"Like i said before what is it that happens to a new tank as it ages....because from what i know after the tank goes through its first cycle and stablizes...and parameters and good and maintaining.....a lot of corals still are not able to thrive. I don't understand why that is....i know it just is. but what changes over time?"
The tank needs time to mature. The bio-filter is not strong enough yet. Adding corals to a new tank is like putting a child behind the wheel of a car. You can almost guarantee a crash.
By the looks of it, you would be better off with some colorful freshwater fish. To be completely honest.
You say:
"I would grab my wifes hair clippers and cut off tons of pieces and put them in a pile of rubble"
Those clippers are probably rusted by now right?
"a week later they would be attached and growing. They are a very strong coral..."
It would -have- to be a strong coral to live in this tank.
"maybe you should look a little closer.....has anyone with more experience that what i have actually given me any advice.....or even attempted to answer any questions i have posted. NO!"
You do not appear to be taking advice from anyone. Several people have told you that bio-balls are junk yet you refuse to remove them. Obviously it is ultimately your choice but you can't exactly complain that no one is giving you any advice. Many probably see this tank as a lost cause.
"Most of the people who post telling me to slow down is because they cant think of any real advice to give"
Not quite.
"do you key peoples nice cars too because you drive a beater!!!!"
Oh brother. Step one would be to admit fault and learn from your mistakes. You beg for advice and then condemn everyone. You do not know their financial situation to say such things. It takes more than money to be successful in this hobby. CLEARLY.
SirVilhelm
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Thank you for your excellent reply. I got frustrated with this thread pages ago and haven't bothered to reply back. You really couldn't have put it any better!
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