210 build PIC INTENSE

[jenglish]

It's interesting you post pics of that tank. Actually I was looking for another article written on that tank on a different site as it brought up in a discussion of tang stocking. Despite the tanks huge size it still has tangs at a much higher concentration that is recommended. The discussion in the tread (which I still cannot find) is on a certain level of stocking that negates the aggression in tangs. Some argued that the tangs were simply so stressed and overwhelmed that it had supressed their instinct. I don't know what weight there is to that argument. I would have to watch the tank with my own two peepers before I could really say what I thought about that theory. I know that with territorial african cichlids who also are grazer requiring territory, the techinique works of stocking them heavily and the aggression wanes.

It is an interesting theory though

 

[EleganceMan]

If you really look at this from a realist's perspective.... know ones tangs should really be in our tanks. Do they reproduce in our tanks, NO. Do they reach their maximum size as in the wild, NO. So there for we are just buying time until they die from some reason of being in captivity. May not be for several years but it always will happen in the long run.... with very large systems being the exception of course.
So does this mean leave them where they are.....that for you to decide.
I just saw on tv the other month, people spearfishing for achilles tangs and eating them. So if i want to keep some tangs in my 210 gallon aquarium for however long they live i think i will. If anyone has a problem with that them do something about it!!!!

 

[Toddrtrex]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14979422#post14979422 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by EleganceMan

Further more....the proof is in the long haul...so if i kill these fish then i guess i was wrong....but i am putting my money on not.

How many have already died?

 

[EleganceMan]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14979455#post14979455 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jenglish
It's interesting you post pics of that tank. Actually I was looking for another article written on that tank on a different site as it brought up in a discussion of tang stocking. Despite the tanks huge size it still has tangs at a much higher concentration that is recommended. The discussion in the tread (which I still cannot find) is on a certain level of stocking that negates the aggression in tangs. Some argued that the tangs were simply so stressed and overwhelmed that it had supressed their instinct. I don't know what weight there is to that argument. I would have to watch the tank with my own two peepers before I could really say what I thought about that theory. I know that with territorial african cichlids who also are grazer requiring territory, the techinique works of stocking them heavily and the aggression wanes.

It is an interesting theory though

i believe that theory to be true....in certain cases....sometime, if your system can handle it, the more the merrier(spelling?). That way no one fish get singled out there is always someone stronger sort of speak.

 

[EleganceMan]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14979474#post14979474 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Toddrtrex
How many have already died?

that would be a good point except for the fact that it was a completely different stocking list.
three surgeonfish
and ich.

Also if you would like to read the entire thread...i do believe i have already admitted making the mistake of putting three surgeonfish in this tank.....and not qt them all.

Do i stand by the point that it was ich that killed the fish...100%!!

 

[EleganceMan]

Do i beleive if i had QT them all, they would still be alive and in my tank. Yes

 

[EleganceMan]

My last tank....a 125, had:
large yellow tang
large purple tang
medium kole tang
large achilles tang
moorish idol
and they all lived the entire time i had the tank and probably are still doing well with the guy who i sold the tank too.
and that tank was half the size.

 

[blennymower]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14979364#post14979364 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by EleganceMan
does everyone agree that DAVID SAXBY'S tank is the best tank they have seen? if you havent seen it search it on youtube.com!

This is the first salt water tank I ever saw and it is AMAZING.

I'm glad you discovered it

 

[bsagecko]

Elegance Man....nice to see the turn around in your tank....

the 2 yellow tangs in a 210 is fine dont worry about the tang police.....I think you might want to cut back a lil bit on the other fish though if you are going to add more......

The coral looks like it is coming along nicely.....I would like recommend a control system (Reefkeeper etc.)........

Before you get the achilles/triggers I would highly recommend killing the ich in the system before hand as the achilles is almost guranteed to get it if it is present........

good luck
Zack

To all those you are not being intelligent in their approach to their comments...why do you come here...if you are worried about him killing 2~10 fish or clams or whatever...why dont we talk to the importers and the people who catch these animals for enjoyment and talk about the thousands of fish that are dead just to bring us a single achilles tang or a single black tang....

 

[blennymower]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14980642#post14980642 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by bsagecko


...why dont we talk to the importers and the people who catch these animals for enjoyment and talk about the thousands of fish that are dead just to bring us a single achilles tang or a single black tang....

Do you know where we can reach them?

 

[luther1200]

I don't know why people get so worked up over tangs. All fish came from the ocean (except aquacultured fish, which at 1 point did). To say 1 species is an open water fish isn't a good argument IMO. Its the same a a person having a Greyhound verses a Black Lab. Sure the Greyhound is a runner, but the Black Lab was once wild too. Does that mean its more ethical to keep a Black Lab over a Greyhound?

Know don't get me wrong we all need to keep these fish in a responsable manner. And what is responsable is a vague area. Do I this EM's tank is overstocked? Maybe a little but I don't think its because of the tangs, I would be more worried having all those Damsels and the bad atmosphere they can create for the rest of there tankmates.

 

[bsagecko]

Blennymower if you really wanted to change things and not just be an instigator in this thread then your posts would actually help the thread owner and you would not keep a saltwater tank because you would think it was unethical to kill fish

 

[blennymower]

you posted a reasonable argument saying we should talk to the people that catch and kill these fish unethically and I'm asking a reasonable question on how can we do that?

 

[blennymower]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14980697#post14980697 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by luther1200
I don't know why people get so worked up over tangs. All fish came from the ocean (except aquacultured fish, which at 1 point did). To say 1 species is an open water fish isn't a good argument IMO. Its the same a a person having a Greyhound verses a Black Lab. Sure the Greyhound is a runner, but the Black Lab was once wild too. Does that mean its more ethical to keep a Black Lab over a Greyhound?

Know don't get me wrong we all need to keep these fish in a responsable manner. And what is responsable is a vague area. Do I this EM's tank is overstocked? Maybe a little but I don't think its because of the tangs, I would be more worried having all those Damsels and the bad atmosphere they can create for the rest of there tankmates.

I really haven't had much experience with tangs but you make a good point.

 

[jenglish]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14980697#post14980697 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by luther1200
I don't know why people get so worked up over tangs. All fish came from the ocean (except aquacultured fish, which at 1 point did). To say 1 species is an open water fish isn't a good argument IMO. Its the same a a person having a Greyhound verses a Black Lab. Sure the Greyhound is a runner, but the Black Lab was once wild too. Does that mean its more ethical to keep a Black Lab over a Greyhound?

Know don't get me wrong we all need to keep these fish in a responsable manner. And what is responsable is a vague area. Do I this EM's tank is overstocked? Maybe a little but I don't think its because of the tangs, I would be more worried having all those Damsels and the bad atmosphere they can create for the rest of there tankmates.

FIrst I want to say I'm not in the Tang police but some of the points you make don't hold water. Comparing different species of fish to different breeds of dogs is apples and oranges. A lab and a greyhound have been artificallly selected from the same species for the attributes humans want them to have. A tang and another species of fish have been natrurally selected for their biology and likley have far more diversity than 2 breeds of dog.

The difference with tangs compared to most of the other fish we keep is burst swimming and covering long distances. A clownfish does have a territory much larger than the tanks we put them in.... but they seem to adapt quite well to smaller tanks without showing signs of stress. A clown is a poor swimmer and does not venture into open water much. It is all about whethor one can meet the needs of a fish. In certain large aquariums we weill find tangs that are less stressed than their wild counterparts. They are not battling tides, struggling to defend territory so they do not starve or avoiding predation. I believe tangs are a hot button because they are so popular and so often put in tanks that cannot meet their needs. I honestly think mandarins and anemones probably have equally high rates of folks getting them before they understand what their needs are.


I don't think 2 YT are too much aggression wise for a 210. I have seen smaller 6 footers with 3 that seemed to do well (3 different genus though I can't recall what 3 it was).

As far as EM's tank having algae.... it looks green to me. It is just a picture, and that can be VERY decieving. It may be simply the lighting or the camera. THings like that I want to see with my own two peepers before I say for sure. I know his bryopsis is receding, a sign of lowering nutrient. If there is micro algae and EM decides he wants to get rid of it there's 2 dozen different ways to go about it.

Is there too many damsels? probably..... but damsels will generally sort that out themselves eventually if there are.

 

[lougotzz]

If one fish got ich in that tank EM showed us, would he have to remove them all?

 

[jenglish]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14981270#post14981270 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by lougotzz
If one fish got ich in that tank EM showed us, would he have to remove them all?

If he wanted to rid the system of ich... then yes. There are 2 schools of thought on ich let it ride or pull them and treat. But if you are going to treat it has to be every fish and the display has to run fallow for long enough for the ich to die w/o a host

 

[lougotzz]

lol that guy had tons of fish in there, that would suck so bad. I wanted to pull my hair out pulling one damsel lol...

 

[EleganceMan]

why does everyone keep saying two yellow tangs....there is three in my tank. LOL .....woops i just fueled the fire agian!!!

 

[saltydude]

EM, I think you kind of like the debate but you hate it as well. I added to it because of your attitude, but thinking about it I can be that way too, and everyone else in their own way.
Anyways, I think your tank is better than it was at first and you are not as crazy about just dropping stuff in there and seeing what happens as you once were. I wish I had a tank as big as yours, but I would not put damsels in there, atleast not certain ones. I apologize about my shots at you and will be more constructive. If im not a smart mouth in person, I shouldnt be on a post. So again, I apologize for being a dork. Ps, why yellow tangs? Everyone has them, If I had some extra cash, I would get something a little more unseen in most tanks.