250 gallon reef setup/build

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Look up the Atlanta Reef Club... there's a pretty good presence and I'm sure you could find local reefers to help you out if you needed it.

Also, what store are you going to? I usually go to Marine Fish off of Johnson Ferry up in Marietta.

As for the protien skimmer... I'll be selling my CSS 125 (or is it a 220... eh... i'll have to go look at the manual) soon if you're interested. Not the greatest, but can be modded to work like a champ and its certainly better than a 2 liter bottle.
 
The crabs will cycle my tank
well its kind of mean to the crabs and 1 piece or market shrimp would of done better job prob. I know someone has said this before. Im not being negative im just trying to help so that ur animals live long and arnt put through stress. Everyone on here is just trying to help.
 
Please don't stop posting. I know we would all like to see you succeed with this. But also try to swallow a little pride and accept when EVERYONE says something is a bad idea, maybe we are all on to something.

Get the biggest sump you can fit under there, or don't use a sump at all. Saying that just a little water will spill out with the power off is completely unacceptable. I think the 20 gallon will still prove inadequate.

Please exercise patience when adding livestock. Anything you add in the next few weeks will just be flushed down the toilet.

Keep us posted :)
 
Derick, I wish you the best of luck my man, I do.

I've read through you're plywood build, and now this thread. I think the reason you're getting the negative reaction that you do is because you ask for advice/ opinions, but then when people give advice/ opinions you basically tell them that they're wrong, and you're right.

I think people want to help, I have yet to run into any members of this board that hope someone fails, quite the opposite in fact.

I am certainly not rich, and I try and save money as much as I can. But I've also learned that there are certain places where you can save money, and there are certain areas where saving money costs more in the long run.

As far as your tank goes...

I cannot imagine being okay with overflowing your sump every time you shut down the return, maybe you are. I hope the inside of the stand is sealed really well, and I hope you aren't particularly attached to the carpet in that room, cause it'll be toast. I shut down my return pump *at least* once a week, sometimes 3 or 4 times a week for various maintenance tasks.

As far as the skimmer goes. Obviously a DIY 2L bottle skimmer isn't going to cut it, as you've acknowledged. Since you're on a tight budget, I'd offer up a different solution. Get a bigger sump, if a 40 breeder is the biggest you can fit, that'll have to do. First order of business, set it up so that it can handle all the water when you shut down the return. Then set it up to run as big of a refugium as you can. Section off an area for your return, maybe a section for where the drain comes in (optional), some sand, some rock, some macro algae. Even if you have to buy a brand new tank, the glass for the baffles, and some macro you'll be all set for a fair amount less than a decent skimmer for a 200+ gal tank. A big fuge, with a good water change schedule would work IMO, especially with the corals you're likely looking at with your lighting. Of course, something to think about, you'll be spend more on salt, so you may save money up front, but still spend it in the long run. Not that you can skip water changes with a good skimmer, but if you're skimmerless, and relying on WC's as you main method of nutrient export you'll be blowing through salt like nobody's business on a tank that size.

You'll need more in terms of lighting. Your tank is deep (tall), and NO's, PC's, even T5's without the proper reflectors will not penetrate that kind of depth.

Not sure what you're using, but from looking at the pictures, I think you'll also need to bump up your flow. Decent quality PH's are relatively cheap. Vortechs are nice, as are some Tunzes on a controller, but Koralias will work too, at a fraction of the cost.

The problem I have with PurpleUp is that you don't know exactly what's in it. IMO...Never dose anything that you don't test for. That's why I, and many others recommend a good 2-part (B-Ionic, C-Balance) over PurpleUp.

Those magic cycling things tend to be long on promises, short on results. I'd be very cautious with using those to "cycle" a reef tank.

I have no experience with DIY rock, so take what I have to say FWIW, but everything I've read it needs a good couple of months before it's fully cured. I definitely be careful with that.

Just my opinion, no offense intended. Best of luck.
 
Deric,
It's seems to me that you are missing the fundamentals of this hobby, you want to go big and you want to do it NOW. This isn't fresh water, things take time with salt.

I'm personally frustrated because I gave you a link that laid everything out step by step, and I bet you didn't even read it.

The staple of your build is doing it on a budget, however you are doing things haphazardly, which is going to cost you in the long run. Don't get me wrong I know exactly where you're coming from when you want to save money, I got my 125 up and running for less than $500 (a drop in the bucket for most of these tanks). But the difference is that I didn’t cut corners I came across great deals. Kind of like you and the 250.

I’m getting the impression that you don’t want advice, I get that you want praise for your efforts, and that you’re going to prove us wrong. You’re not the first person to think that you can make a 2 liter skimmer, many have tried before you and the result must have been failure otherwise we all would be doing it. I spent some time in the DIY section and there are people over there that can take an ink pen, a magnet, a paper clip, and a ball valve and make an efficient skimmer. But those guys fully understand the fundamentals of what makes a skimmer work, I’m not talking about, “the pump goes here and the water comes out here” I’m talking about: what the bubbles are doing as they pass through the water column, what size bubbles make for better skimming, how they benefit as a filter in the tank.

I agree with previous posters that you will eventually be successful in this hobby but you are going to learn the hard way why certain things aren’t going to work. Maybe that’s your personality, you have to experience things first hand to believe it. Like my daughter, I can tell her she going to get her heart broke but she is going to have to verify for herself that I wasn’t lying to her.

I realize that you’re going to take this as I’m taking this opportunity to point out your faults, but I challenge you to look at this from my perspective, obviously you are missing the foundation to what make a great reef. You want everything now now now.
 
Just talking from experience is all. Nobody wants you to throw your money away. I am very new at this and I really want things to hurry up so I can have a beautiful reef tank to look at but I definately would not do things the way you have been doing them. JMO. Good luck man! I have been enjoying watching you go through this.

thanks man i really appreciate it
 
This has all cracked me up since the first thread about the plywood build. You ask for people to critique you and when EVERYONE tells you that you are doing it wrong or that there are things you could improve, you get defensive and say that it will work and you know what you are doing. When people asked you if you had a leak at first, you didn't even bother checking for a leak and said that it was just a water spill and that everyone was crazy. I am pretty new to this hobby and I came on here to learn from everyone that posts and reply's here because they know more than I do, not to tell everyone else that they are wrong and that I know what I am doing. I really hope you succeed with everything and I'm sure eventually everything will turn out fine with your tank but it seems to me like you are trying to take the easy way out of EVERYTHING.

I did spill water there thats why i said it was a spill and it turned out to be a leak also but whatever and thanks
 
you keep saying you been doing this for 5 yrs, yet the way you are doing things says otherwise. you also keep saying you dont have a bucket full of money to throw at this, which i can respect fully but, the way you are going about things will end up costing more in the long run. Nobody said you need to buy everything all at once. Quick question though, since you been in the hobby for 5 yrs, havent you found a local reef club that can help you out? I know mine has great deals all the time on equipment and livestock.

ARC is cool but i dont use it much and trust me buddy its been five long gruling years
 
Look up the Atlanta Reef Club... there's a pretty good presence and I'm sure you could find local reefers to help you out if you needed it.

Also, what store are you going to? I usually go to Marine Fish off of Johnson Ferry up in Marietta.

As for the protien skimmer... I'll be selling my CSS 125 (or is it a 220... eh... i'll have to go look at the manual) soon if you're interested. Not the greatest, but can be modded to work like a champ and its certainly better than a 2 liter bottle.

lol hell yea man send me a PM i may get it from you
 
The crabs will cycle my tank
well its kind of mean to the crabs and 1 piece or market shrimp would of done better job prob. I know someone has said this before. Im not being negative im just trying to help so that ur animals live long and arnt put through stress. Everyone on here is just trying to help.

thanks buddy
 
Derick, I wish you the best of luck my man, I do.

I've read through you're plywood build, and now this thread. I think the reason you're getting the negative reaction that you do is because you ask for advice/ opinions, but then when people give advice/ opinions you basically tell them that they're wrong, and you're right.

I think people want to help, I have yet to run into any members of this board that hope someone fails, quite the opposite in fact.

I am certainly not rich, and I try and save money as much as I can. But I've also learned that there are certain places where you can save money, and there are certain areas where saving money costs more in the long run.

As far as your tank goes...

I cannot imagine being okay with overflowing your sump every time you shut down the return, maybe you are. I hope the inside of the stand is sealed really well, and I hope you aren't particularly attached to the carpet in that room, cause it'll be toast. I shut down my return pump *at least* once a week, sometimes 3 or 4 times a week for various maintenance tasks.

As far as the skimmer goes. Obviously a DIY 2L bottle skimmer isn't going to cut it, as you've acknowledged. Since you're on a tight budget, I'd offer up a different solution. Get a bigger sump, if a 40 breeder is the biggest you can fit, that'll have to do. First order of business, set it up so that it can handle all the water when you shut down the return. Then set it up to run as big of a refugium as you can. Section off an area for your return, maybe a section for where the drain comes in (optional), some sand, some rock, some macro algae. Even if you have to buy a brand new tank, the glass for the baffles, and some macro you'll be all set for a fair amount less than a decent skimmer for a 200+ gal tank. A big fuge, with a good water change schedule would work IMO, especially with the corals you're likely looking at with your lighting. Of course, something to think about, you'll be spend more on salt, so you may save money up front, but still spend it in the long run. Not that you can skip water changes with a good skimmer, but if you're skimmerless, and relying on WC's as you main method of nutrient export you'll be blowing through salt like nobody's business on a tank that size.

You'll need more in terms of lighting. Your tank is deep (tall), and NO's, PC's, even T5's without the proper reflectors will not penetrate that kind of depth.

Not sure what you're using, but from looking at the pictures, I think you'll also need to bump up your flow. Decent quality PH's are relatively cheap. Vortechs are nice, as are some Tunzes on a controller, but Koralias will work too, at a fraction of the cost.

The problem I have with PurpleUp is that you don't know exactly what's in it. IMO...Never dose anything that you don't test for. That's why I, and many others recommend a good 2-part (B-Ionic, C-Balance) over PurpleUp.

Those magic cycling things tend to be long on promises, short on results. I'd be very cautious with using those to "cycle" a reef tank.

I have no experience with DIY rock, so take what I have to say FWIW, but everything I've read it needs a good couple of months before it's fully cured. I definitely be careful with that.

Just my opinion, no offense intended. Best of luck.

thanks alot ur advise helped alot
 
Deric,
It's seems to me that you are missing the fundamentals of this hobby, you want to go big and you want to do it NOW. This isn't fresh water, things take time with salt.

I'm personally frustrated because I gave you a link that laid everything out step by step, and I bet you didn't even read it.

The staple of your build is doing it on a budget, however you are doing things haphazardly, which is going to cost you in the long run. Don't get me wrong I know exactly where you're coming from when you want to save money, I got my 125 up and running for less than $500 (a drop in the bucket for most of these tanks). But the difference is that I didn't cut corners I came across great deals. Kind of like you and the 250.

I'm getting the impression that you don't want advice, I get that you want praise for your efforts, and that you're going to prove us wrong. You're not the first person to think that you can make a 2 liter skimmer, many have tried before you and the result must have been failure otherwise we all would be doing it. I spent some time in the DIY section and there are people over there that can take an ink pen, a magnet, a paper clip, and a ball valve and make an efficient skimmer. But those guys fully understand the fundamentals of what makes a skimmer work, I'm not talking about, "œthe pump goes here and the water comes out here" I'm talking about: what the bubbles are doing as they pass through the water column, what size bubbles make for better skimming, how they benefit as a filter in the tank.

I agree with previous posters that you will eventually be successful in this hobby but you are going to learn the hard way why certain things aren't going to work. Maybe that's your personality, you have to experience things first hand to believe it. Like my daughter, I can tell her she going to get her heart broke but she is going to have to verify for herself that I wasn't lying to her.

I realize that you're going to take this as I'm taking this opportunity to point out your faults, but I challenge you to look at this from my perspective, obviously you are missing the foundation to what make a great reef. You want everything now now now.

Thanks buddy i really appreciate the advice
 
Thanks to everyone for the advice the other night was really frustrating. i seen a guy on youtube using a 2 liter skimmer on his monster tank and he said everything was fine. Also I dont want anyone thinking i want advice just to shut them down but i have bought fishh for my tanks that were three weeks old and never lost a fish and all were healthy. Thats where i get frustrated when people say my livestock will die. As far as purple up I have never had anything go wrong with it i truly havent???? I really love all the advice guys and please dont stop with the help. My apologies for the negative comments and replies. As of now the tank is still sitting and doing well. I went to my LFS and purchased some NUTRAFIN cycle. a nice size bottle to prepare my tank. I found a great deal on a skimmer on ebay i may get if my buddy on Snarkes doesnt give me his. My plan is only adding 100 lbs more of live rock i dont want 250 lbs more tom me thats overkill for what i want I like wall to wall rock but i wanna see my fish as much as i can but at the same time not stress them out from me looking in there lol. To be honest the 2 liter skimmer is working well and going strong I do agree i need more flow in my tank i am looking at pruchasing two huge powerheads really soon. I tell ya having a tank this big changes everything. I remeber putting a aquaclear 75g powerhead in my 100 gallon and it was blowing that thing like crazy. In this tank it would be lucky to make a wave LOL. Now as far as live stock im getting mixed reactions. There are tons of locals who have been reefing for years telling me to add something liuke a damsel or a clown this weekend to get the tank going now on my smaller tanks i have always had a fish by week two and the thing went strong so why would it be different on this one?????
 
Now as far as live stock im getting mixed reactions. There are tons of locals who have been reefing for years telling me to add something liuke a damsel or a clown this weekend to get the tank going now on my smaller tanks i have always had a fish by week two and the thing went strong so why would it be different on this one?????

I would wait. Could the fish survive? Maybe, depending on the fish. Will it be healthy, and happy? Probably not. No sense in adding a fish to a toxic environment, even if it'll probably live. IMNSHO, it's our duty to provide our reef inhabitants the best possible conditions we can, considering we went and plucked them off the reef just cause we like looking at them in our living rooms.

But it's impossible to say with seeing your water parameters. What do your test results look like?
 
I would wait. Could the fish survive? Maybe, depending on the fish. Will it be healthy, and happy? Probably not. No sense in adding a fish to a toxic environment, even if it'll probably live. IMNSHO, it's our duty to provide our reef inhabitants the best possible conditions we can, considering we went and plucked them off the reef just cause we like looking at them in our living rooms.

But it's impossible to say with seeing your water parameters. What do your test results look like?

Just did a water test everything is perfect but nitrites are at a 3.0 i dont know if thats because its cycling and i should do a water change or should i leave it alone???
 
actually nevermind I forgot i put in the nutrafin cycle today I will wait for this to finish cyling the tank NO WATER CHANGES FOR ME!!!!!
 
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