Batfish162
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Update?
270 Gallon Rimless Peninsula Tank Miracles with fish room
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shaginwagon13
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I agree
ocreefer92844
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Lilmatty5dimes
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awesome tank and set up. any update with the seam?
This is how the seams look for all that money I am very unhappy or am I just picky and this is normal. I can honestly say I never saw a custom tank in person?
Mine was like yours after waiting three months, initial apperrance was very well made tank. Mine was like yours after a close inspection by using a flash light at nite. I used clear silicone, all joints have air bubble even at bottom panels, I refuse the tank and was promised a rebuild tank. A month later calling in to request an update. I was told the builder could not build a tank to my specification and full refund was given. Four months wait and no tank.
I have done my home work after talking to many store owners and reefers. They had good experience with miracle, but not my case.
A store used a small builder to have tanks made, even a small store builder doing better job.
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Hmm, I wonder if Miracles is expanding and having a hard time keeping enough highly skilled labor around to keep the quality where it should be. I had them make my tank a year and a half ago and it turned out really nice. All of the silicone was near perfect.
A friend of mine just had them make a 450g and he received it last week. His has some sloppy silicone around the overflow and the seams are not the best.
They better correct their issues or people are going to stop using them.
A friend of mine just had them make a 450g and he received it last week. His has some sloppy silicone around the overflow and the seams are not the best.
They better correct their issues or people are going to stop using them.
shaginwagon13
Chartered Accountant
To be honest there really is no excuse for seams like the ones posted in this thread. Anyone that has ever professionally worked with glass will tell you, with the right set of tools and experience, achieving a near flawless seam is a very reasonable thing to accomplish.
You might get the 'odd' tiny air bubble every now and again, but seams like these really are unacceptable IMO. Personally I have never worked with glass, but members of my family own a glass manufacturing company so I have been around it almost my entire life.
I would want a full refund or for them to completely redo the tank. This is just my .02 cents.
You might get the 'odd' tiny air bubble every now and again, but seams like these really are unacceptable IMO. Personally I have never worked with glass, but members of my family own a glass manufacturing company so I have been around it almost my entire life.
I would want a full refund or for them to completely redo the tank. This is just my .02 cents.
I know it would be great to get a new tank but it was so hard getting the tank in the house I would never want to do it again. Tank weighs over 600 pounds the cost for me to even ship it back would be insane. I'm gonna have to live with it. This just gives others a heads up on there work I'm sure my tank is not the only one or the last.
shaginwagon13
Chartered Accountant
No I agree, the shipping alone would be an exceptional amount of money. Those seams would definitely bother me if that was my tank though... now that you know they are there you are going to notice them every time you look at your tank.
Why not see if there is a local company that would be willing to pull the panels off, strip the silicon and then redo the seams. Maybe Miracles will compensate you for that to satisfy you as a customer.
shaginwagon13
Chartered Accountant
Like I said, I personally have never done this, but I have been around it my whole life.
From my knowledge, the proper way to do this in a seamless way is to mask off the portions of the glass you do not want covered with silicon. Usually this is 1/4" up from where the silicon will be going (you can go 1/8" it just depends on what the application is). When you add the silicon you are supposed to apply an even amount throughout the entire length and then when the two panels are pressed together the excess is squeezed out. If done correctly, you should get an airless seam. When you clean the join and remove the tape, you get that nice crisp line of silicon.
The tubes of silicon used would be similar to those bought at home depot, just in larger sizes for a commercial manufacturing facility. All tubes of silicon are made and packaged with the goal of being air free. One because air would cause the silicon to dry inside the tube, and second because in almost every application a seamless joint is what is desirable. A manufacturing facility would also have the appropriate glass bracing to properly support and ensure the glass does not move while the silicon cures. In my opinion, if used properly, either a manual or air caulking gun can achieve the same seamless look. If anything, using a manual one requires more skill because with an air driven unit, you can ensure an even and uniform outflow of silicon.
Your tank seams were made from poor craftsmanship ship. Again, this is just my .02 cents but I am almost very confident that those who work with glass for a living would agree.
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Lilmatty5dimes
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i forgot where i saw this thread at might have been local but another guy had a tank made by miracles and the seam job was bad like yours. call up customer service and after talking to them got a new tank shipped to his house to replace the bad one. when he asked about shipping it back they just told him to keep it because it was going to cost them (miracles) to much money to ship back. needless to say he gave the tank away free to a buddy who had it resealed. so you shouldn't have to ship it back unless they are covering shipping charges. wasn't your fault tank was bad. just my $0.02
Scythanith
Premium Member
Silly question, but is this tap plastic or metal? If it's metal you may want to reconsider using it.
crazy4reefs
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I have a few suggestions for the noise...as others suggested try adding flex pvc between your sump, pump and returns. I would also make the holes where the plumbing passes through the shelf to the sump oversized so you are not getting vibration from the plumbing resonating sound. If you want the clean look you have now where the plumbing passes through, you could use spray foam (the kind for around windows which is softer than the other foams like Great Stuff) around the plumbing and trim it once it dries. Another thing you could try is changing the pad you have under the pump. It looks like a single piece of rubber or similar material. I made a pad using two sheets of rubber with a piece of soft foam material between the rubber sheets for my pump which helped a ton.
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SPotter
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Silly question, but is this tap plastic or metal? If it's metal you may want to reconsider using it.
Also is that a check valve? If so did you check to make sure it doesn't have a metal spring in it?
