A few questions regarding ICH.....

[Jstdv8]

one of my frag swap members posted this

one of my frag swap members posted this

some of it pertains to this thread. Either way 40 year old in home reef. pretty cool.
http://reefkeeping.com/joomla/index...9/article/7-paul-baldassanos-40-year-old-reef

 

[szwab]

[chimp]

Some of us need to take a deep breath and walk away from the keyboard.

 

[gp2]

As A noobie reefer, but very experienced aquariust and professional "disease treater." I would advise anyone struggling/dealing with ich to study its natural life cycle. This is an organism that appears to be mildly troublesome in the wild while being perfectly adapted to life in our very artificial setting. Part of its natural/reproductive life cycle is spent in the substrate. Now, in the wild open water fish, such as tangs and angels, would predictably not be in the same spot in the substrate each evening. Obviously, this is quite different in the confines of our tanks, and that is what can lead to to the severe outbreaks and snow covered appearance of our fishes.

An interesting personal experience is that I bought an established (massively overstocked and under cared for) tank from a fellow reefer. Within about a month I was dealing with a massive and severe ich outbreak. 6 weeks later I am seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. I lost 2 of the 8 fish that were in the tank, but the other 6 are doing well currently. I talked with the guy I bought the tank from and he said "yeah I did have a bad ich outbreak years ago, but I treated it with garlic and everyone did great."

 

[Sk8r]

x2.

 

[bertoni]

Is this how someone that disagrees with the "conventional wisdom" gets treated?

One person's "disagreeing with conventional wisdom" is another person's lack of knowledge or poor logic. I agree that it's possible your clown doesn't have ich, but your experiences don't constitute everyone's experience. By following fairly closely to your logic, I could state that marine ich doesn't exist. I've never seen a fish with it, never treated for it, and never had any problems. Therefore, no one will.

There's nothing unlikely about your story. I've just heard too many like it and too many different from it to be impressed.

 

[rayn]

some of it pertains to this thread. Either way 40 year old in home reef. pretty cool.
http://reefkeeping.com/joomla/index...9/article/7-paul-baldassanos-40-year-old-reef

Cool yes, but having talked with him about his tank, my tank, and QT, even he suggested I QT fish. His tank is 40 YEARS old! Way beyond what we are playing with in a 1,2,5,10 year old tanks. He doesn't QT, but his fish are healthy and can live through a outbreak of something. We bring in a fish, QT maybe, think all is fine and bring in another fish. So are fish are what 2,3,6 months old in a 2 year old tank. No comparison.

 

[Sk8r]

agreed, rayn. Most of us will never experience that much age on a tank. And tanks ARE different as they age. Help your tank live to get there.

Quarantine. Bottom line. If your last fish of that species died, figure out WHY before you pop another into the tank, however much your 2 year old wants another Nemo. We can help you figure it out. But quarantine, quarantine, quarantine.

 

[Jstdv8]

I was actually refering to the part about him using copper and copper pennies and a turf scrubber. And the fact that he did/does so many things differently than we do and still has a successful tank.
There are alot of right ways (and wrong ways) to do the same thing

 

[Sk8r]

There are old reefers and bold reefers, but few old, bold reefers. Salty deserves respect for his success, but it will be worth it for new reefers to start their tanks with modern methods, as Salty did 40 years ago, and do those things which experience and research have proven. I also start reefing 40 years ago. I would not go back to the days of diatom filters, drip trays 8 deep, crushed coral substrate, and tanks under dimmer light. Things are much better now, much easier, and more often successful. Take advantage of it, and listen to people telling you to put certifiably clean fish and clean into a clean tank and get it stable.
Those of us who serve as RC Team step into situations having to console a hobbyist who had everything go south, suddenly; the guy who walks in after a short trip to discover his tank is totally dead; the guy who's just had his whole setup killed by a mistake with a cyano removal product; or the guy who bought a non-recommended invert and has lost his tank...ich, cirolanids, you name it; finrot, popeye---we hand-hold and try to tell people how to start over, but we'd so much rather tell people how not to get into that situation.