A Home for Ryan's 240?

[STACKER]

Yup, I sweat like Shaq Oneal at a KKK rally or Evander Holyfield on fathers day! LMFAO I typically get more done befoer noon than most folks do all day. Then I go home and deal withthe honey-du list. Somebody just shoot me!

I'm working on a guy with soem $$$ who is interested in a SS cooker for his patio. I sketched out a unit that is flex fuel (fossil or propane) with a built in sink, fridge, smoker, and warming area. I'm looking at about $3,500 in components and materials and $4,000 on fabrication. He's thinking about having me do it over the winter.

 

[Biggie]

Sweet, I can smell the piggie cooking on his custom cooker from here. Speaking of piggie, I ran into a guy that used to work for me here last night gettting gas. He works for the county now and been thru a nasty divorce. Well hes got himself a new house mouse and she happens to work for the county as well. I found out that the county has a corral full of yep you guessed it wild piggies. They get nuisance calls to go out and get them. SO what they do is sell them to whoever wants them for .25. You can get a 300lb wild hog for .25 from the humane society lol...

Im like slap me silly and call the livestock trailor Ill spend $2.00 and the beer is on me lol.. Too good to be true. I have to go over today and see whats what. They just had a woman attacked by a wild boar on a Campus here so its open season. Its gator season here too. Had some deaths this year so they increased the permits to 4000 from 2000 and extended the season.
Ever had gator? I love it. Very good meat. Been trying befriend a trapper so I can get some custom gator skin boots made but to no avail lol..
Sounds like the Stacker family is gonna have a good Chirstmas lol...Me too Co. wants me to start working O.T. for the rest of the year. Were pumping out the product here like gang busters. Sheesh. I been on 4-10 schedule for a year loving it. No work on Mondays. All gone now back to 5-10's and an occasional Sat. Just when I was starting to love life. Oh well speed up the tank project some with free capital.

 

[STACKER]

300 lb. pigs are good for 2 things, sausage and fertilizer! Last 4 pigs I cooked were under 100 and every scrap was eaten and worthy of calling BBQ. Those big'nz suck to cook but some folks are impressed with size and not good meat. Then again, a few kegs and a bunch of drunk crackers sounds like one hell of a good time to me! I'll come down and haul home a truckload of the little ones!

You have a boat? I'll bring a couple recurves and we'll go poke a few gators too! Big Redneck fun there! Oh ya!

The IRS and welfare scumbags (your neighbors) love you OT, keep it up! LOL I put in from 70 to 100 hrs. weekly and uncle same see's nothing, then again, neither do I but I'm trying to rebuild a business that was run into the ground by my ex-partner. My friends can't comprehend my resolve, they think I should go get a job and close the doors. Funny how complacent people get after a decade of punching a time clock. Just me probably but ...

 

[Biggie]

Well I missed out on the pigs. Couldnt wrangle a livestock trailor or a place to pen it up. Someone came and bought the rest of them for $5. Damn! Oh well I got too many fires to put out right now to worry about it. Been busy as a one legged man in an A## kicking contest.
I gotta get a day to go get some steel to finish up some projects cant find the time.
Starting to cut into my drinking time now Im not happy. Ordered my props and some carbon fiber rod for my MJ mods. Thats like lowest priority but still priority. I got the Dumas 3004 too. I dont have time to guess what will work best or better just need it to work. Pretty much have everything else. I couldnt get a spec for the tig rod I have but Id say its 316 not 304 I couldnt verify so I just bought the carbon fiber.
Next couple of weeks I should have my chiller up and running. Again need some SS to finish the shrouding up . I tossed the plastic crap it was shrouded in in lieu of some custom Stainless panels and some perforated Stainless venting panels. Ive got about $500 in total invested in that now including the chiller itself.
Its a 1 HP Aquanetics with a digital controller. Rated for over 1000 gal. Nice chiller but really more than what I need. Got the compressor and new reciver dryer ready to go in which was $250 of the $500 Ive spent on it. Should haul a$$.
Problem is that at my 500 total gal. system that chiller will be cycling on/off about every 30/40 minutes which is the surge juice thats gonna tax my elec. bill to death. A smaller unit will stay running and keep the surge down. Dont know Ill give it try to test the unit out and if its too much then up for sale it goes. Some richer feller than me can have a new custom chiller.
Looks awesome have to post some pics when its complete. Only SS shrouded chiller Ive seen lol.. I wanna drive it around lol..My garage is littered with SS this and thats right now. Hell I should shroud my tank stand in SS. Thast would be cool eh? Cost me an arm a leg and a left nut. Prices of SS are goin thru the roof.

 

[coralfarmer84]

on the chiller issue so far I don't think I'm gonna need one. I got 2 halides running over the tank with no fans on them yet nor a canopy and the tank is right around 80 degrees. I hear them chillers are expenisive to run. You guys really need to start a new thread, my tank is long gone and I'm in florida with the new one.

 

[Biggie]

Hey its the C-farmer lol...yea we been yammering at the bit for months now lol...Hows the new setup running?
Any troubles moving? Stacker been educating me on the ins and outs of life in the great Ohio basin lol....Good for him keep that corn growing bud! lol....I hate corn! Corn in corn out thats my take on it.
Wow your right this is page 10 of nothing but crap lol...

 

[STACKER]

Crap is crap! LOL

Ryan, Don't you go worryin' about this thread you no posting doof! We dont' much care about your coral torture chamber anyway I started it, it's my world, and I'll take my ball an play at the neignbors if you keep whinin'.

Clamping machine is delivered and installed, I've been running at mach 2 today to get the next projects set and ready to go and searchiung the web for the best price on a few things. I could use a beer about now!

I'll be sending my frags to Lake Tahoe tomorrow so I'll have to get ready to pack 'em in the morning. O2 saturate some H2O pack in the thermos, box, seal and ship... Wham Bam!

 

[Biggie]

Yea crap is crap you nailed that. Been in your new digs for this long and dare not post a howda-ya-do. The nerve.
Clink! Thats my cold beer for lunch Stacker. Its a less than sufficent Amstel light but its tasting quite fine! Heres to ya Mr. I own my own steel shop S.O.B. lol....
While your sawing, cutting, machining and grinding I sit here in my AC office fearing of the swamp A$$ that looms out the other side of my office door. Waiting and anticipating the rest of the perverbial Dick weeds who slave to the man that clog the only road out of this miserable Bummble F$ck one horse hell hole town.

We salute you!! Ryan heres to Swamp A$$ and the many years you will get it here in lovely Flori-DUh. ephasis on the DUH!
Dumbest people on the planet settled in the lowest states like silt from the a$$ crack of society. Like Fish crap that settles in the corner of your tank untouched by the PH. Its here bud and your part of it now. The big Darwin mystery gap that cant be explained. ITs right smack dab finger on the map here!
Back to my cold beer now..............

 

[STACKER]

LOL... Not to worry, my office is air conditioned, so is the shop! Yup, it's a dirty job but there's no reason to sweat unless you really want to . I'm about 1 hr away from heading home to a chilly one or 3 or 4. Maybe if I'm lucky my wifey will take us out for supper (she gest paid today and got a big stinky raise last week). Then again, I could just as easily be eating left over Hot sausages from Sunday...

I have firends in Florduh, Ala-buhlama, Arkanzass, Mizzippuh,Teyhas and Both Crayola's. They prolly raise the general IQ of the state a few points just by suffering thru life there daily. but, there are stupid folks everywhere! My theory is that the slow ones head south to avoid the predators LMFAO!

I'm harvesting xenia tonite, want some? LOL roll it and smoke it and tell us how it is! LOLOLOLOL

 

[Biggie]

Got all the Xenia I want. I had a mass kill off but didnt takelong to come back now its creeping like wild fire again.
Yea the ole dummy gene spread itself far and wide. I see it everyday in its own habitat.
They should find that gene isolate it and attatch the aids virus to it so we can stop the madness.

I cant figure it out I know some really smart Crackers down here. Born and bred here just like alot of others and then theres the other side. Cant think their way out of a wet paper bag.
What's the deal? I chalk it up to water quality at that point.
A simple 5 stage RO/DI would have kept the pesticides out of the womb and let the brain fully develop. Gotta be.

Then theres my other theory, demographics in education. Florida needs ticket takers so why educate for that. Any warm body will do. Save the states money and use it for nice roads for the tourists. Oh and cheap beer.
Oh well we joke but I really think somethings askew down here with the water and the education.
Spent some time out in the plains and didnt see much better eithier. Kansas, Texas, OK, Missouri all had there share of inbreds. I should just block it out and look for the rainbows instead lol...
Hey I saw the funniest think in Salina, Kansas. Worlds first schedule 80 exhaust system on an old chevy van lol....no not 2" nope not 1 -1/2" and not even 1" pipe lol.. He had it plumbed in 3/4" gas line lol....Enough a$$ crack on the driver showing you could lose the seat in there too lol...oh yea.

Nice swedish community living there all blonde hair blue eyed. Loved it. Hey I ate the biggest steak Ive ever had in Kansas City 72 ounce porterhouse lol...Its was one of those if you finish it meals free deals. lol....Couldnt do it. The spud they gave ya was 5 lbs alone lol....Oh i TRIED too. Forced meat down my pie hole til it was coming out of my ears, no avail ....had to doggy bag it lol..

Had some kick but Cajun in Texas. Some killer seafood. Thats pretty much how I rate a state by how well I ate in it lol... If i left hungry the whole state can go to hell Ill never be back lol..
Then again I eat pretty good here and it still sux so maybe my rating sys. needs some adjustment lol...

 

[coralfarmer84]

I'll take some xenia. Free shipping right lol. My tank is finally starting to get in control. But man do i have a nasty outbreak of brown algaes. Cycling sucks

 

[Biggie]

Got the brown bottom blues lol...Should have just ran over to the coast and sucked up some water and shortened the cycle down to days Ryan.
Thats how I did it. Cant say anything bad about NSW. Fish love it Corals love it even more. Im looking into getting a trailor mounted tank to haul over to the coast for this very purpose.

I got a buddy here who has a sprinkler sys. business has a trailor mounted tank holds approx. 800 gal. Has a built in pump for putting in shallow well points. I let him store it in my garage for the priviledge of doing this very thing. Ive done it several times now. Doesnt pay in gas to just get a garbage can full but a 800 gal. trailor full is definetly worth the effort.
You get ahold of something like that haul the water to your tank and Ding cycled with mother natures finest.
You will hear people bash NSW on here for being polluted and this or that but truth is you cant replicate it with synthetic additives. I seen significant growth in everything using plain ole NSW from the Banana River Estuaries near the Cape and Cocoa Beach area. Test out at around 1.023 to 1.024 Salinity perfect 8.2 PH and clear as a bell.
First time I added it I was modest at 5 gals. My PBT started bouncing off the glass for more. Got all happy and excited. So I waited a week and changed out 10 gal. Corals all brightened up and again fish were swimming super happy.
Id have never thought twice about using it for a whole tank set up.

 

[STACKER]

Ya, I'll ship free for $30... Scratch that, $40 for you LOLOLOL

 

[Biggie]

Ok Stacker made one maxi mod last night. All I can say is OMFG!!
Soon as I kicked it on sh#t storm stired up from the rock like Ive never seen.
Awesome! One problem I got like others Ive read. Every other time the pump cycles its running backwards. Whats the cure?
Im not done experimenting with it yet its running but not quite the way Id like it too. I love it so far though its quiet and works like a champ. I buzzed down the Dumas 3004 alittle more than I liked. I also purchased some 21 mm higher pitched propellers Im gonna retro. Just kick it up a notch. Consider Im working with a Dremel here and a set of small hand files and some misc. everyday tools on my desktop, I cant honestly complain at all.

Carbon fiber rod is the ticket too. Just gotta solve the wrong direction issue and Im good to go then invoke that with the bigger higher pitched propellers and Batta boom batta bing!

I was totally immpressed however. Never expected that! Anyone need some Seio guts? Useless POS. This makes those look like a Pinto compared to a Vette.

 

[STACKER]

Well, I don't know how you made the mod and from whose model so I can only assume it's the cheapo one withthe plastic tube and fibre shaft with all the slots sawed into the side (that will clog in a heartbeat). I don't recall the part number of the Dumas prop I use but it's 1.75 dia ., with a .1875 ID. I bore it to .25, stick a rod in and shave it down equallt by chucking it in a dewaly and running it in reverse against a 6" belt sander till it's the perfect OD to fit my cowl minus .0625 for clearance. for those who feel they have to run them on wave timers I suggest adding a stop tab to the shaft support (if you have such a design). I push the prop to the top of the impeller shaft so that when the pump runs backeard the prop is forced up to contact the support. Stop tab is shown below:

Mine run 24/7 and I get phenominal growth all over the tank and random flow throughout. Wave timers and pulse controllers are a waste of time and money as far as I'm concerned if yoiu gan generate a constand and random flow. They were developed to operate linear PH's in succession to promote a more laminar flow. Now I do that for $60 (including the new mount) and make a 290 GPH pump put out more like 700 GPH in a steady surge and wide path.

You'll find that the pitchier props will create more drag (more heat from the pump), more vibration, and spin slower than the low angle prop. Try addign a second prop and see what happens! LOL I ran my first mod with 2 and quickly settled on one. More power seems like the manly thing to do but reality and physics prove that to be more testosterone than intelligence. Make it big and strong first, then make it work right second... LOL

Just too the seio parts in a fire and send them to hell where they belong! LOL

 

[Biggie]

I got it. I drilled holes in my PVC shroud instead of the slits. I had nno idea what I was doing from the start just wanted to experiment.
I figured If I followed someone elses design Id never learn anything. So I tried some trial and error ideas. I didnt make my own cross brace I utilized the nose cap of my old Seio which fits inside the PVC pipe and centers the shaft perfectly. I glued that in place put the trim ring over it and glued that.
I found a toilet valve I had laying around in the garage that had a pressure relief tube cast into the side that was the exact size as what I had turned down my Impeller too.
The original maxi propeller is what I shaved down instead of pulling it off. I figured this would be the regulator for keeping the propeller rotating the correct direction instead of a stop just like it does for a reg. maxi. Well thats my error it will not work that way.
So tonight Ill pull it back apart and try again making a stop maybe toss the seio parts since they seemed to be plagued with failure.

I used the prop you recommended which is the 3004 Dumas. It works fine. As far as mounts are concerned I got more variations for that then I need so no prob. there. Im using Maxi 1200's too. Honestly Ive used a alternating current powerstrip to simulate wave action. I dont see any benefits to it. If anything a constant flow gives me better results. I got it now so Im using it but it hinders things more than anything. After seeing how much flow I got from just 1 of these I dont think Ill need 2. It blows nice.

So most likely I free up a plug and end up removing the fancy powerstrip anyhow. Back to the drawing board. The seios I got had 3 mounting options to them they included plates that interchange for differnt PH's. The one that fits the maxi allows you to mount it to a magnetic holder when you put these all together you end up with a mount that works very well has tilt options to it and I think thats the only thing Seiop has goin for it.

The stock suction cups sux though I bought magnetic holders just becaue Im tired of suction cups slipping and P#ssing me off.
Mag float mod is another option I just cut to the chase.
I could see machining some acrylic caps for a cross brace that would make these real nice. Im sure there is alot that could be done here to improve on this idea, right now I just want flow. Once I get one going correctly Ill use the other one for my guinea pig.
I copuld actually just pull the one I have off the wave strip and and get it goin in the right direction and let it go but Im not 100% satisfied just yet. I wanna put this high speed prop on since it cost 5 X's the money might as well see what it can do. Not really bigger but the blades are differnt shape and its black not white. I bought 2 of those and 4 of the Dumas 3004's so I got some extra to mess up should that be the case.
Before its over Ill have it hooked to a Hemi and my fish will mutate to have appendages to hold onto the rocks lol..

 

[STACKER]

i machined a cross brace then realized it was a waste of time and simply weldon cemented 2 strips of PETG at .18 x .25 x 1.25 overlapping by .25 then slotted the cowl on the CL and cemented them in place. Then I sand off the brace even withthe cowl OD, chick iit in the lathe and center drill the support rod c'bore. done! I use a .1875 ball endmill to cut 4 opposing slots belowthe midline of the cowl followed by 8, 12, 0r 16 .25 dia. drilled holes between the slots (more holes = more flow so you can limit flow a but or go all out). The retaining quick turn disconnect that fixes the cowl to the Maxi body is .180 deep and .080 wide to accomodate a snug twist fit on the maxi. The rest is a .25 OD 316 SS tube x 1.25 lg. press fit on the impeller shaft (impeller blade removed and tab sanded smooth). impeller body is drilled out to .128 for clearance of a .125 dia. 316 SS shaft with the original Maxi shaft bushing drilled to .125 and pushed on. I have to agree and disagree regarding the suction cup issue. I make acrylic mounts of .25 x 3 x 3 with 4 c'bored cup retainers that hold like glue yet allow easy adjustment. 3 cups doesn't work, 4 does, looks good, and isn't bulky like mag holders. I use a modded penguin 1140 and a MJ-900 in my 120 and get all the flow I need. when you point them at each other the currents collide in the center and generate a randon flow that the corals love and the fish have no issue swimming thru. It's all goos and doesn't cost $300 a pop. There are drawbacks. Noise, heat, bulk, and the inherent random reverse restart issue. The acrylic mounts host coraline fairly quickly too but that's never bothered me.

My next mod is a Mag 5. I've been looking for jus tthe right prop cuz the Trolling morot one I got form Ebay has a hub dia. that's too big. The mag 5 mod would be killer in big prop systems and tanke over 300 gal. We;re talking about 2,500-3,000 GPH in the flow pattern the Maxi mods have... Grunt Grunt!

 

[Biggie]

You drilled the actual impeller body for a SS shaft. Ill mess around with it tonight. That Mag 5 setup will break the other side of the glass lol...
Get a prop for an airplane and put that sucker to work lol...
I cant think of any possible application except Sea Wordls Dolphin tank maybe lol...
Hey I thought I had clean rock til I fired this thing up and seen the action. It was a virtual Dance of the sugar plumb fairy ballet show fro my little Firefish lol.. He was swimming for all he had til he got out of the flow lol...

 

[STACKER]

I drill out the stock center shaft hole to celar the .125 upgraded shaft. The only reason I didn't stick with the stock shaft dia. is because the added length makes it "noodly" and there is enough material to safely goto .127 or .128 and not compromise the impeller. When I get a chance to finish the mag 5 mod. I plan to test it in the pool. I really don't think it wil be overly outrageous for large prop. tanks and long 8'+ displays. You can surround it with LR and mount it semi-hidden but generate gobs of flow. Could be a killer $100 alternative to gigantic pumps and nightmarish plumbing I think. then again, what the hell do I know? LOL

Ya, same thing happened to just about everyone who's used mods. I do lots of water changes and use my skimmer to remove the old water by cranking it up (PM bullet 1 w/ mag 12) and I do a major basting so the crap is in suspension and goes thru the overflow. i also keep a few snails and hermits in the sump/fuge to help eat the stuff the skimmer doesn't catch. I also have a ball of cheato and caulurpa th esize of basketballs to help with export. Still it's a weekly chore to keep my water in good shape considering the load and feedings.

 

[Biggie]

I like the ideas. This is opens up a whole new dimension to me as I wasnt really convinced on the perforamnce of these mods til I did one. I told ya a few threads back I was gonna do a teardown and drill this tank closed loop and all but now im having second thoughts.
I may still do it but this gives me a hopeful option. I do about a 10-15 gal H20 change about every 9 days on my 90 and I do a 30 gal change on my 180 same time. There independant of each other so its a chore. The 180 is drilled so its not as bad but the 90 was my frist attempt at keeping corals and has since become my prop/frag tank. Its went thru several changes over time.
I just have never been able to say that the 90 has got the right flow. I dont know if its because of the dimension or the way I got the rock or what but I got alot of flow in it its just not hitting the places it needs too. Its a 90 tall too not long. THat may be the detrimental problem overall.
Sooner or later Ill get the big super tank Im messing around with and the 90 will become part of a sump setup.

I got about 3 pumps laying around and some misc old Power heads any or all can be canabolised into something cool to play with.
Most of my equip. is getting old now Ive been upgrading slowly.