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Here ya go

Reef Aquaria with Low Soluble Metals (By Randy)
http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/20...ture/index.php

from it:

"Export of Metals: Poly-Filters

Many aquarists have heard that Poly-Filters (made by Poly-Bio-Marine) absorb copper and other heavy metals. Poly-Filters are essentially comprised of an organic polymer that is designed to bind to a wide variety of chemical compounds in aquaria. As with all materials that bind metals, the higher the concentration of metal in solution, the more metal will be bound. Unfortunately, this fact has lead many aquarists to misunderstand whether Poly-Filters might actually help them reduce metal levels below that present in typical reef aquaria (10-40 ppb). In this section I am not discussing whether one can make a polymer that will bind copper and other heavy metals from aquarium water (that's a different discussion for elsewhere in this paper and others, but it is possible that modified Poly-Filters might work in that context). What we are interested here is in whether there is any information to suggest that currently available Poly-Filters are effective at reducing the copper concentrations below the 10-40 ppb copper reported for all of the marine aquaria in Shimek's study, and in my own aquarium (10-13 ppb copper).

It turns out that, unlike most manufacturers, Poly-Bio-Marine provides some nice data and makes the results especially clear for us. Unfortunately, what they say is that it won't work for many metals in artificial seawater. In fact, they have specifically designed these filters to not take out copper below 30 ppb. Here's a series of quotes from their website:

ASTM Standard D 1141 lists only six (6) trace elements which are : Barium (99.4 mg/L), Manganese (34.0 mg/L), Copper (30.8 mg/L), Zinc (9.6 mg/L), Lead (6.6 mg/L) and Silver (0.49 mg/L).?

Note: ug/L is the same as ppb (parts per billion)

Then they note:

"Our next section will go into details of how Poly-Bio-Marine, Inc.'s special manufacturing process prevents Poly-Filter from sorbing those trace elements and other major or minor synthetic seasalt components."

"In order to make a Poly-Filter not capable of sorbing trace elements we must first saturate each Poly-Filter with the trace elements found in synthetic seawater."

"Upon completion Poly-Filter will not sorb trace elements nor calcium, magnesium, strontium or fluoride."

So they add the metals listed above to the Poly-Filters during manufacturing in order to prevent them from bringing down these metal concentrations when used in aquaria. In reality, I don't know whether their statements are accurate or not in relation to real aquaria, because all of the tests were in freshwater and synthetic seawater, not in aquaria where some of these metals (especially copper) will be largely bound to organics. Nevertheless, taking their claims at face value, one is forced to conclude that Poly-Filters will not be generally useful in reducing metal concentrations below the levels shown in Table 8 when used in raw artificial seawater. In this case, only zinc appears to be at a level such that Poly-Filters will remove substantial amounts from aquaria.

It is entirely possible that these filters will be more effective than described below at removing metals when the metals are bound to organics in real aquaria. After all, these filters claim to remove organics as well. However, it is also possible that they won't be effective, and testing them under actual reef aquarium conditions is something that I hope to provide in future articles."
 
Thanks mate, the poly filter is out after reading that. :reading:

I don't think the acros would be improving at all if there was any heavy metal contamination personally. It's one thing to say what i did shouldn't cause such a dire reaction but who knows really.
 
Here ya go

Reef Aquaria with Low Soluble Metals (By Randy)
http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/20...ture/index.php

from it:

"Export of Metals: Poly-Filters

Many aquarists have heard that Poly-Filters (made by Poly-Bio-Marine) absorb copper and other heavy metals. Poly-Filters are essentially comprised of an organic polymer that is designed to bind to a wide variety of chemical compounds in aquaria. As with all materials that bind metals, the higher the concentration of metal in solution, the more metal will be bound. Unfortunately, this fact has lead many aquarists to misunderstand whether Poly-Filters might actually help them reduce metal levels below that present in typical reef aquaria (10-40 ppb). In this section I am not discussing whether one can make a polymer that will bind copper and other heavy metals from aquarium water (that's a different discussion for elsewhere in this paper and others, but it is possible that modified Poly-Filters might work in that context). What we are interested here is in whether there is any information to suggest that currently available Poly-Filters are effective at reducing the copper concentrations below the 10-40 ppb copper reported for all of the marine aquaria in Shimek's study, and in my own aquarium (10-13 ppb copper).

It turns out that, unlike most manufacturers, Poly-Bio-Marine provides some nice data and makes the results especially clear for us. Unfortunately, what they say is that it won't work for many metals in artificial seawater. In fact, they have specifically designed these filters to not take out copper below 30 ppb. Here's a series of quotes from their website:

ASTM Standard D 1141 lists only six (6) trace elements which are : Barium (99.4 mg/L), Manganese (34.0 mg/L), Copper (30.8 mg/L), Zinc (9.6 mg/L), Lead (6.6 mg/L) and Silver (0.49 mg/L).?

Note: ug/L is the same as ppb (parts per billion)

Then they note:

"Our next section will go into details of how Poly-Bio-Marine, Inc.'s special manufacturing process prevents Poly-Filter from sorbing those trace elements and other major or minor synthetic seasalt components."

"In order to make a Poly-Filter not capable of sorbing trace elements we must first saturate each Poly-Filter with the trace elements found in synthetic seawater."

"Upon completion Poly-Filter will not sorb trace elements nor calcium, magnesium, strontium or fluoride."

So they add the metals listed above to the Poly-Filters during manufacturing in order to prevent them from bringing down these metal concentrations when used in aquaria. In reality, I don't know whether their statements are accurate or not in relation to real aquaria, because all of the tests were in freshwater and synthetic seawater, not in aquaria where some of these metals (especially copper) will be largely bound to organics. Nevertheless, taking their claims at face value, one is forced to conclude that Poly-Filters will not be generally useful in reducing metal concentrations below the levels shown in Table 8 when used in raw artificial seawater. In this case, only zinc appears to be at a level such that Poly-Filters will remove substantial amounts from aquaria.

It is entirely possible that these filters will be more effective than described below at removing metals when the metals are bound to organics in real aquaria. After all, these filters claim to remove organics as well. However, it is also possible that they won't be effective, and testing them under actual reef aquarium conditions is something that I hope to provide in future articles."
Randy has said a Poly Filter is a good bit of insurance on many occasions. The levels that Poly-filter reduce heavy metals to are NSW values.
I think you were reading into the information and Randy's response a bit too much. If you have levels below 30parts per billion of copper, a Poly-filter may exchange a few Ppb back to the water. If you have absolutely zero copper you are missing a trace element that is actually needed for metabolism. Too much copper is bad. Absolute zero is also bad- and hard to achieve. I run a Poly-filter in my system almost 100% of the time.
 
Mate, very sorry. Potatohead dying is very sad. He featured in many photos and posts and made us all smile or laugh...:sad2:

It very well could have been something the skimmer intake picked up. Something is/was seriously wrong with the water for the snails and a cleanershrimp to have died.

Andrew mate, I sure hope that this does NOT signal your exit...Its not your fault mate; not some silly cookup that you caused. When things are hopefully better, you go round to Dave's fish store and tell him we all said he ought to reserve the nicest SPS that come in and they should only go in your tank mate.

Let us know how things progress.
 
Sorry about Potatohead.

Don't know if this will help but I'll throw it out there:

Back when I used to service aquariums some guy had a tank that all the snails and corals seemed to be dying and he couldn't figure it out.

What was wrong was that he had a powerhead in his sump that the cord had frayed or melted and exposed the wiring, so that he was running electricity straight into his sump.

Don't ask me how I figured that out.

I hope you get things sorted.
 
Randy has said a Poly Filter is a good bit of insurance on many occasions. The levels that Poly-filter reduce heavy metals to are NSW values.
I think you were reading into the information and Randy's response a bit too much. If you have levels below 30parts per billion of copper, a Poly-filter may exchange a few Ppb back to the water. If you have absolutely zero copper you are missing a trace element that is actually needed for metabolism. Too much copper is bad. Absolute zero is also bad- and hard to achieve. I run a Poly-filter in my system almost 100% of the time.

I'm going to get a poly filter thingy since you use one without drama Matt. ;)

Mate, very sorry. Potatohead dying is very sad. He featured in many photos and posts and made us all smile or laugh...:sad2:

It very well could have been something the skimmer intake picked up. Something is/was seriously wrong with the water for the snails and a cleanershrimp to have died.

Andrew mate, I sure hope that this does NOT signal your exit...Its not your fault mate; not some silly cookup that you caused. When things are hopefully better, you go round to Dave's fish store and tell him we all said he ought to reserve the nicest SPS that come in and they should only go in your tank mate.

Let us know how things progress.

Hey mate, thanks for the kind words :) I've been over and over things in my head so many times in the last few days and i honestly can't see what i did to cause such a drastic reaction so i'm just going to soldier on and concentrate on getting the acros healthy and colorful again.
I am really hoping that i will only have to remove two or three more pieces due to tissue loss and i still have lots of nice acros that need love and attention so i won't be throwing in the towel. :beer:

Sorry, guess my brain only remembered that info.

I appreciate the help regardless buddy :)

Sorry about Potatohead.

Don't know if this will help but I'll throw it out there:

Back when I used to service aquariums some guy had a tank that all the snails and corals seemed to be dying and he couldn't figure it out.

What was wrong was that he had a powerhead in his sump that the cord had frayed or melted and exposed the wiring, so that he was running electricity straight into his sump.

Don't ask me how I figured that out.

I hope you get things sorted.

I actually had the sparky from work check the tank on Friday for any electrical leakage. When i go into total paranoid mode i don't mess about ......... ;)
 
Can't say much bud,all the other fellas have mentioned most of the reasons and solutions!
Really hope you'll turn /save the situation with the minimal losses!
Always happy/amazed to see people who don't throw their towel easy my friend:love1:
Already knew you are one of them:beer:

Hope you'll have some good news for us asap,regarding tank's state!
 
Have you asked your neighbors about spraying?
Skimmer intake sounds plausible.
All that foaming makes me wonder...
 
There is nothing else I can add beside that a local reefer had an issue with an old pump that cracked and leaked something to the water. Almost total lost of SPS. I belive the new DC pumps can't have those issues.

Well.... probably you already checked all your pumps. Nevertheless I am happy to read that you started to see an improvement in the acros. .... HURRAY !!

Cheers
Daniel
 
There is nothing else I can add beside that a local reefer had an issue with an old pump that cracked and leaked something to the water. Almost total lost of SPS. I belive the new DC pumps can't have those issues.

Well.... probably you already checked all your pumps. Nevertheless I am happy to read that you started to see an improvement in the acros. .... HURRAY !!

Cheers
Daniel

Good suggestion. I'd check all your pumps if you havent already done so.

Please also check with Kevin he didnt do something dodgy. I recommend he be grounded and made to eat Quandongs as the sole food for a week if he was up to no good. :crazy1:
 
Really have nothing to add as the pro's have all spoken, just wanted to send good acro thoughts your way. I know it sucks when it takes a bad turn on you, best of everything to you and your tank.
 
O.K., I'm gonna throw something out there, I don't know if this has been asked. Have you checked to see if there is any stray voltage getting in the tank?
 
Can't say much bud,all the other fellas have mentioned most of the reasons and solutions!
Really hope you'll turn /save the situation with the minimal losses!
Always happy/amazed to see people who don't throw their towel easy my friend:love1:
Already knew you are one of them:beer:

Hope you'll have some good news for us asap,regarding tank's state!

Thanks Mike, i appreciate the kind words mate. :beer:

Whao, sorry for your loss . Hope you can pin point the issue and can correct it asap.
Keep us updated .

Thanks mate :)

Have you asked your neighbors about spraying?
Skimmer intake sounds plausible.
All that foaming makes me wonder...

I checked next door and luckily for him he isn't responsible Matt. :thumbsup:

Andrew, maybe someone has cleaned your glass tank (or near your tank) with spray cleaner

I live alone mate, nothing is ever used near the tank that could possibly contaminate the water.

There is nothing else I can add beside that a local reefer had an issue with an old pump that cracked and leaked something to the water. Almost total lost of SPS. I belive the new DC pumps can't have those issues.

Well.... probably you already checked all your pumps. Nevertheless I am happy to read that you started to see an improvement in the acros. .... HURRAY !!

Cheers
Daniel

Thanks Daniel, i put something in the water somehow i'm sure otherwise the acros wouldn't be recovering if they were still being irritated by a contaminant.

Good suggestion. I'd check all your pumps if you havent already done so.

Please also check with Kevin he didnt do something dodgy. I recommend he be grounded and made to eat Quandongs as the sole food for a week if he was up to no good. :crazy1:

Hey Sahin, Kevin is currently in rehab after falling off the wagon and hitting the kalk again so i can't blame him unfortunately......:rolleye1:

Really have nothing to add as the pro's have all spoken, just wanted to send good acro thoughts your way. I know it sucks when it takes a bad turn on you, best of everything to you and your tank.

Thanks very much for the well wishes mate :)

O.K., I'm gonna throw something out there, I don't know if this has been asked. Have you checked to see if there is any stray voltage getting in the tank?

Hi mate, yep i had a sparky check the whole system out and everything is good on the electricity side of things.


Bleached pearl skin that has PE again so he's going to be fine. Should have purple tips and base so hopefully i'll be able to show you it coloring back up over the next month or two.

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Well **** mate! I'm really sorry to read all this, please et me know if there's anything I can do. I hope everything starts bouncing back ASAP!
 
I'm just glad i didn't have that firetruck frag in the bloody water Dom lol. :blown:

The test acro i added Friday has been all the reassurance i needed to stay the course and not do anything except put the parameters back where they belong.

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