A Splash of Color

[PatrikD]

Cut all the dodgy looking tissue away and keep that bleached SSC on the bottom in low light and good flow - not strong flow Patrik.

I'm grateful for you input
It's under t5 off centre and 16 inches from water surface. Flow is ok I think.

The Badabing was very hairy during the night. The SSC didn't show any polyps at all but nothing has changed for the worse either .

I suppose all I can do is wait.

I'm a bit concerned about the cuts. I been thinking sealing with super glue could be a good thing.

 

[Acronic]

Your frag on the left would look much cooler if it wasn't beside Christian's colony on the right Nick - the frag on the left however is going to look prettier than the colony on the right when it grows up imo. The colony on the right was much greener on the skin tissue before i started dosing 'stuff'.
The pastel blue acro in the foreground is not popping because it has extra green, quite the opposite in fact.

I think the 'base' color of all acros is whatever color the pigments are within the zooanthellae it is hosting.

We need Kevin to bring some wacky doodle science talk to this bloody discussion i think, the cardinal is back btw mate. :hmm4:

I've said this before and even before I knew what I know now... "Any good reefer will tell you that the best colours never last forever"

It's hard to swallow, I know, but it's true.

How I understand it is that zooxanthellia are brownish green (look at any macro of an acro. You can clearly see the rows of zooxanthellia are always the same colour). The only roll they play in coral colouration is how the light is affecting their photosynthesis.

Consider coral colour as if it were a zooxanthellia's sunscreen. The colour of the pigment depends on which wavelength is emitting the most volitile radiation. It's a beautiful relationship. The coral can sense abnormal carbon production and orchestrate a response that will ultimately alter it. Be it protein pigments or expelling zooxanthellia ect. A true testament to resiliency.

Corals colour starts with a flourophor or a chromophor wrapped in a blanket of proteins built by amino acids. The orientation of these proteins arrangements determine what wavelength is absorbed and in turn, which wavelength is emitted. Some of the amino acids hold a charge in relation with the flourophor or chromophor. Depending on environmental influences like metal ions (magenese, iron) ph, temperature, radiation ect. And this is IMO the most exciting because of the endless miriad of possibilities. These charges can flip (coined the hula twist), causing the emitted wavelength to change. So your once green acro can turn red one day and vice versa. To make things even more interesting. These flips can be both irreversible or reversible. OR they can potentially be localized to portions of a coral. Thats because instead of using one gene to determin the protein pigment production the coral just makes infinite copies of the genes it's been handed by its mother colony. Which means that even if you have a coral of liniage it could morph irreversibly colour wise and hand off modified genes. Evolution at its finest.

 

[mhucasey]

I've said this before and even before I knew what I know now... "Any good reefer will tell you that the best colours never last forever"

It's hard to swallow, I know, but it's true.

How I understand it is that zooxanthellia are brownish green (look at any macro of an acro. You can clearly see the rows of zooxanthellia are always the same colour). The only roll they play in coral colouration is how the light is affecting their photosynthesis.

Consider coral colour as if it were a zooxanthellia's sunscreen. The colour of the pigment depends on which wavelength is emitting the most volitile radiation. It's a beautiful relationship. The coral can sense abnormal carbon production and orchestrate a response that will ultimately alter it. Be it protein pigments or expelling zooxanthellia ect. A true testament to resiliency.

Corals colour starts with a flourophor or a chromophor wrapped in a blanket of proteins built by amino acids. The orientation of these proteins arrangements determine what wavelength is absorbed and in turn, which wavelength is emitted. Some of the amino acids hold a charge in relation with the flourophor or chromophor. Depending on environmental influences like metal ions (magenese, iron) ph, temperature, radiation ect. And this is IMO the most exciting because of the endless miriad of possibilities. These charges can flip (coined the hula twist), causing the emitted wavelength to change. So your once green acro can turn red one day and vice versa. To make things even more interesting. These flips can be both irreversible or reversible. OR they can potentially be localized to portions of a coral. Thats because instead of using one gene to determin the protein pigment production the coral just makes infinite copies of the genes it's been handed by its mother colony. Which means that even if you have a coral of liniage it could morph irreversibly colour wise and hand off modified genes. Evolution at its finest.

You don't sound like a guy who has been drunk for two days. Its kind of freaking me out....

 

[Acronic]

You don't sound like a guy who has been drunk for two days. Its kind of freaking me out....

Hahaha omg I've sure got the body aches to prove it though. Black Sambooka sp? Beer and maple syrup scotch as well as other stuff don't mix well at all. Lol not so good on the way up either. Ya I know how Canadian of me to be in the woods making maple syrup and playing with shotguns for bachelor party. Good times though

Oh and the polar bear dip in the lake at -3. Ouch

 

[Acronic]

Also something quick I want to add as food for though.

Everything in a corals life is a give and take relation. In order for a coral to appear healthy and optimal, at least in our opinion, is for all systems to be firing on all cylinders. This, however, is simply not within the means of a corals mitochondrial system to maintain.

What I'm trying to get at as my overall conclusion is that we have much to learn about the natural rhythm that is optimal for a coral. Perhaps chasing colour 100% of the time is the wrong approach?

 

[Rybren]

Oh and the polar bear dip in the lake at -3. Ouch

Innie time

 

[Acronic]

Haha spot on

 

[drawman]

I've said this before and even before I knew what I know now... "Any good reefer will tell you that the best colours never last forever"

It's hard to swallow, I know, but it's true.

How I understand it is that zooxanthellia are brownish green (look at any macro of an acro. You can clearly see the rows of zooxanthellia are always the same colour). The only roll they play in coral colouration is how the light is affecting their photosynthesis.

Consider coral colour as if it were a zooxanthellia's sunscreen. The colour of the pigment depends on which wavelength is emitting the most volitile radiation. It's a beautiful relationship. The coral can sense abnormal carbon production and orchestrate a response that will ultimately alter it. Be it protein pigments or expelling zooxanthellia ect. A true testament to resiliency.

Corals colour starts with a flourophor or a chromophor wrapped in a blanket of proteins built by amino acids. The orientation of these proteins arrangements determine what wavelength is absorbed and in turn, which wavelength is emitted. Some of the amino acids hold a charge in relation with the flourophor or chromophor. Depending on environmental influences like metal ions (magenese, iron) ph, temperature, radiation ect. And this is IMO the most exciting because of the endless miriad of possibilities. These charges can flip (coined the hula twist), causing the emitted wavelength to change. So your once green acro can turn red one day and vice versa. To make things even more interesting. These flips can be both irreversible or reversible. OR they can potentially be localized to portions of a coral. Thats because instead of using one gene to determin the protein pigment production the coral just makes infinite copies of the genes it's been handed by its mother colony. Which means that even if you have a coral of liniage it could morph irreversibly colour wise and hand off modified genes. Evolution at its finest.

Kind of feels like a literature review I like it!

 

[mhucasey]

I've said this before and even before I knew what I know now... "Any good reefer will tell you that the best colours never last forever"

It's hard to swallow, I know, but it's true.

How I understand it is that zooxanthellia are brownish green (look at any macro of an acro. You can clearly see the rows of zooxanthellia are always the same colour). The only roll they play in coral colouration is how the light is affecting their photosynthesis.

Consider coral colour as if it were a zooxanthellia's sunscreen. The colour of the pigment depends on which wavelength is emitting the most volitile radiation. It's a beautiful relationship. The coral can sense abnormal carbon production and orchestrate a response that will ultimately alter it. Be it protein pigments or expelling zooxanthellia ect. A true testament to resiliency.

Corals colour starts with a flourophor or a chromophor wrapped in a blanket of proteins built by amino acids. The orientation of these proteins arrangements determine what wavelength is absorbed and in turn, which wavelength is emitted. Some of the amino acids hold a charge in relation with the flourophor or chromophor. Depending on environmental influences like metal ions (magenese, iron) ph, temperature, radiation ect. And this is IMO the most exciting because of the endless miriad of possibilities. These charges can flip (coined the hula twist), causing the emitted wavelength to change. So your once green acro can turn red one day and vice versa. To make things even more interesting. These flips can be both irreversible or reversible. OR they can potentially be localized to portions of a coral. Thats because instead of using one gene to determin the protein pigment production the coral just makes infinite copies of the genes it's been handed by its mother colony. Which means that even if you have a coral of liniage it could morph irreversibly colour wise and hand off modified genes. Evolution at its finest.

What do you think of the concept that Manganese competes with iron in chlorophyl production and can downregulate/poison chlorophyl?

I ask because my previous experience with Zeovit was that within a week or so all the algae was dying off. The Zeolites leach iron and manganese. My phosphate and Nitrate values pretty much stayed the same(Phosphate above 0.15, Nitrate ~2ppm) while this occurred.

The same thing is happening now, with AF using zeolites and adding additional Manganese via MicroE. My phosphate has been creeping up and last night was 0.12, nitrate is > 10, and my rocks are so clean of any speck of algae it's unreal. Cyano has died back to almost nothing as well. I should have something green growing in there with those nutrient numbers, but nothing...

 

[mhucasey]

Perhaps chasing colour 100% of the time is the wrong approach?

That's quitter talk!:lol:

 

[Acronic]

What do you think of the concept that Manganese competes with iron in chlorophyl production and can downregulate/poison chlorophyl?

I ask because my previous experience with Zeovit was that within a week or so all the algae was dying off. The Zeolites leach iron and manganese. My phosphate and Nitrate values pretty much stayed the same(Phosphate above 0.15, Nitrate ~2ppm) while this occurred.

The same thing is happening now, with AF using zeolites and adding additional Manganese via MicroE. My phosphate has been creeping up and last night was 0.12, nitrate is > 10, and my rocks are so clean of any speck of algae it's unreal. Cyano has died back to almost nothing as well. I should have something green growing in there with those nutrient numbers, but nothing...

That's exactly what I think is going on. Mentioned it in post 962/964 and so did Andrew but he is the lazy dark acro leader and doesn't like to do any heavy lifting. You know... Iron phobia and all

 

[Acronic]

That's quitter talk!:lol:

Trust me, if having good colour is wrong, I don't wanna be right!

 

[mhucasey]

That's exactly what I think is going on. Mentioned it in post 962/964 and so did Andrew but he is the lazy dark acro leader and doesn't like to do any heavy lifting. You know... Iron phobia and all

Ok I remember you agreeing now...its interesting that when I ran Zeovit the one thing I had problems with was Cyano from hell, its a common complaint of the system. I think that getting to the bottom of why there wasn't enough Manganese/too much iron from the Zeolites would be interesting info. I purchased some Manganese chloride and will be doing some 'speriments of my own....

 

[Acronic]

Ya absolutely perhaps we can put an end to cyano once and for all haha

 

[Spslvr]

I've said this before and even before I knew what I know now... "Any good reefer will tell you that the best colours never last forever"

It's hard to swallow, I know, but it's true.

How I understand it is that zooxanthellia are brownish green (look at any macro of an acro. You can clearly see the rows of zooxanthellia are always the same colour). The only roll they play in coral colouration is how the light is affecting their photosynthesis.

Consider coral colour as if it were a zooxanthellia's sunscreen. The colour of the pigment depends on which wavelength is emitting the most volitile radiation. It's a beautiful relationship. The coral can sense abnormal carbon production and orchestrate a response that will ultimately alter it. Be it protein pigments or expelling zooxanthellia ect. A true testament to resiliency.

Corals colour starts with a flourophor or a chromophor wrapped in a blanket of proteins built by amino acids. The orientation of these proteins arrangements determine what wavelength is absorbed and in turn, which wavelength is emitted. Some of the amino acids hold a charge in relation with the flourophor or chromophor. Depending on environmental influences like metal ions (magenese, iron) ph, temperature, radiation ect. And this is IMO the most exciting because of the endless miriad of possibilities. These charges can flip (coined the hula twist), causing the emitted wavelength to change. So your once green acro can turn red one day and vice versa. To make things even more interesting. These flips can be both irreversible or reversible. OR they can potentially be localized to portions of a coral. Thats because instead of using one gene to determin the protein pigment production the coral just makes infinite copies of the genes it's been handed by its mother colony. Which means that even if you have a coral of liniage it could morph irreversibly colour wise and hand off modified genes. Evolution at its finest.

kinda supports my theory :]

also we have a biologist at southern cross uni who is doing research into cross contamination of clades in an aquarium, this research is leading us to believe that po4 and no3 are not as important as removal of the free swimming clades, while no3 and po4 lead to an overabundance of zoox [browning] this is because the sps are producing to much zoox and the clades are leaving the host and settling on others, causing cross contamination, we are looking at what happens when we remove the clades from the water column even in the presence of high inorganic no3 and po4, so far so good.... I probably should be posting this on the farm thread aswell

 

[Acronic]

kinda supports my theory :]

also we have a biologist at southern cross uni who is doing research into cross contamination of clades in an aquarium, this research is leading us to believe that po4 and no3 are not as important as removal of the free swimming clades, while no3 and po4 lead to an overabundance of zoox [browning] this is because the sps are producing to much zoox and the clades are leaving the host and settling on others, causing cross contamination, we are looking at what happens when we remove the clades from the water column even in the presence of high inorganic no3 and po4, so far so good.... I probably should be posting this on the farm thread aswell

That is really interesting. What methods are you using specifically to remove them?

 

[Spslvr]

That is really interesting. What methods are you using specifically to remove them?

anything under 10 microns

 

[Acronic]

Copy that.

How about ozone or UV?

 

[Spslvr]

Uv is not efficient enough to help all that much

 

[gregkn73]

What is clades?