AEFW - zeo treatment worth it?

[maxheadroom]

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FlatwormStop is a new treatment from Zeovit which allows direct dosing of a full stocked reef aquariums. FlatwormStop is safe for all fish and invertebrates and it works to eradicate Acro Eating Flatworms by stimulating the immune response of Acropora corals.

 

[msp307]

That's why I hardly buy anymore LFS dnt give a crap as long as they are getting paid, only place I'd trust is sustainable reef.

 

[fcmatt]

Calling the product flatworm stop which sounds like it actually "kills" flatworms is pretty darn
confusing eh? It almost reminds me of Salifert's flatworm exit which actually kills the type of
flatworms it is supposed to target.

 

[fcmatt]

The text on the bottle clearly gives me the impression that as others are saying; it will help corals recover damaged tissue; hence it will not directly target the FW's.

I am not sure why the bottle gives you that impression. The bottle description
says it gets "rid" of flatworms. In my vocabulary that means "kills".

 

[MammothReefer]

Wellllllll... i guess the argument could be made (i'm stretching here). That if the Acropora some how develop an ability to repel/ressit the flat worms they technically would starve to death and die......

 

[sahin]

I am not sure why the bottle gives you that impression. The bottle description
says it gets "rid" of flatworms. In my vocabulary that means "kills".

Sorry, I thought I got the info from the description on the bottle. I read the KZ website and from there I got that impression:

http://www.korallen-zucht.de/en/shop/products--technology/problem-solving/4850_flatworm-stop.html

It states on the website:
"Product Description

Flatworm Stop
Right now we have an effective help against tissue eating flatworms on Acropora and for ailing SPS.
Flatworm Stop strengthens all kind of corals and reduces parasitical flatworms on Acropora corals at the same time. Very valuable ingredients are assimilated directly after dosage. In our tests also ailing small polyp stony corals recovered and rebuilt the basis as well as gained back the original coloration".


The description: "effective help against tissue eating flatworms on Acropora and for ailing SPS" doesnt lead to to infer that it is an outright targeted flatworm killer.


Also, "Flatworm Stop strengthens all kind of corals and reduces parasitical flatworms on Acropora corals at the same time". From this description I would infer that the potion "nourishes" corals rather than target killing AEFW's.


Additionally since it states that "Very valuable ingredients are assimilated directly after dosage". This leads me to believe that perhaps some form of substance is taken up by the coral which may either discourage (maybe even harm the FW's) after feeding on the coral tissue or perhaps whatever chemical is in the potion, it improves coral health/immune system and perhaps even aids faster recovery.


So to sum up; most of the descriptive text in my opinion points to something other than a targeted attack on FW's.


Whatever the case may be, if this is indeed an effective help, then I am very pleased for SPS coral keepers. Having lost MANY SPS that I collected from all over the UK, this is a welcome product for me.

 

[Allmost]

Wellllllll... i guess the argument could be made (i'm stretching here). That if the Acropora some how develop an ability to repel/ressit the flat worms they technically would starve to death and die......

+1

also, Iodine feeds flatworms. u didnt hear from me.

 

[Tony B (UK)]

This may well work, a few years ago I chucked away all my acropora due to aefw. I would have embraced such a product back then and, if aefw develop any time soon I will try this product myself.

 

[dzhuo]

^ +1, haven't tried it but, from what I read over on another forum, it doesn't attack the AEFW, rather it's a product that helps the corals immune system

It's hard for me to imagine the product can help the corals in such a way that they would be healthier than those found in NSW or its natural habitat which are still susceptible to AEFW.

At any rate, it's good that at least people are working to address AEFW. It's really a huge pain for the majority of us. If anyone try it, make sure to report back.

 

[Tony B (UK)]

It's hard for me to imagine the product can help the corals in such a way that they would be healthier than those found in NSW or its natural habitat which are still susceptible to AEFW.

At any rate, it's good that at least people are working to address AEFW. It's really a huge pain for the majority of us. If anyone try it, make sure to report back.

But in nature acropora withstand aefw, otherwise they'd be extinct.

Whether they withstand aefw due to predators eating the worms, or due to unknown environmental conditions (certain enzymes or aminos perhaps) or a combination of both is purely conjecture but it's reasonable to assume there's 'something' missing in most reeftanks. This allows aefw to prevail and results in the demise of the hosts.

Maybe, possibly, this bottle could contain that missing 'something' and it will be amazing if it does work.

I'm keeping an open mind. :thumbsup:

Tony

 

[dzhuo]

But in nature acropora withstand aefw, otherwise they'd be extinct.

No. That's pretty much false assumption. That would be saying impala should be extinct because lots of animals eat them.

Maybe, possibly, this bottle could contain that missing 'something' and it will be amazing if it does work.

It will be amazing, yes.

I'm keeping an open mind. :thumbsup:

I certainly hope the product works as well. I also hope they would tell us how or why it works. It seems like most Zeo products are proprietary so we might never find out why even if it works.

 

[Tony B (UK)]

I'm not going to get drawn into a discussion over analogies, although if you want your safari example to fit, it will - at least it will in your mind...

All I'm saying is, this product might work.

 

[dzhuo]

All I'm saying is, this product might work.

That would never be a false statement.

Does this product give any estimate of how long to expect to see improvement?

 

[Tony B (UK)]

That would never be a false statement.

Does this product give any estimate of how long to expect to see improvement?

I've no idea, perhaps you could contact the manufacturer or the distributor for the USA?

Tony

 

[StarF]

i ordered a bottle to test. I got a small amount of aefw that i keep in check with blasting my corals and with wrasses.. sometimes i can see bite marks, and then it goes away. Should get the bottle in the end of this week, and i will update this thread, when i have tested it for some time...

 

[sahin]

i ordered a bottle to test. I got a small amount of aefw that i keep in check with blasting my corals and with wrasses.. sometimes i can see bite marks, and then it goes away. Should get the bottle in the end of this week, and i will update this thread, when i have tested it for some time...

Thanks for testing. Please do keep a good record of dosing and observations and then report here. Thank you.

 

[Allmost]

That would never be a false statement.

Does this product give any estimate of how long to expect to see improvement?

couple of german reefers I have spoken to, have been usingit fro a month and already see improvements. there are some videos on zeovit site.

 

[MammothReefer]

Any more news on this?

 

[sahin]

Yes, its nearly been a month, so have you noticed any reportable effects?

 

[StarF]

ben using it for around 3 weeks, i see no change. I still sometimes se bitemarks from aefw. I wouldent rule it out yet, and mabye its getting bettere, but its hard to tell. When i blow my corals, they dont blow off anymore, so mabye there are less of them now? any way i will continue, i bought a big bottle so there should be enought for at least 3 month´s of treathment

btw it smells a bit like vinegar, mabye vinegar with amino acids?, and it has a brownish color..